Labor’s Male-Hate anti-Family Law amendments become LAW
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Knowingly false allegations of child abuse will now become a legitimate reason to deny children any contact with their father in the event of separation, under controversial new laws passed by parliament today.
The government has made changes to family laws compelling family law courts to consider all allegations of family violence, even irrational, malicious and knowingly dishonest allegations.
The law rolls back reforms made under the Howard government that encouraged shared parenting responsibilities.
The legislation also aims to change the definition of family violence and abuse under the act to include a host of alleged behaviours, that are now to be determined by what the alleged victim claims to have feared, rather than what occurred, was witnessed or can be proven.
It will allow the court to deny contact, in most cases with the children’s father, based on nothing more than a claim that the mother “fears” abuse, whether or not there is any history of abuse, or whether any threatening behaviour occurred or is likely to occur.
Tonight the Senate passed the Family Law Legislation Amendment (Family Violence and Other Measures) Bill 2011.
Labor senator Trish Crossin told the chamber the family law system doesn’t adequately protect children.
“It’s truly concerning that the family law system is failing our children.”
She said the federal government continued to support shared care but not at the expense of a child’s safety.
However, during the recent Senate hearing into these amendments, all of the invited speakers who advocated for change, failed to point out any case studies or empirical evidence that  confirmed this claim.
Opposition legal affairs spokesman George Brandis said the coalition didn’t support the bill in its current form although it supports the ostensible aim of protecting children.
He defended the Howard government’s shared parenting reforms from harsh criticism, saying they had been highly successful.
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon said the safety of children was paramount.
“I have reservations about the bill in its current form because of unintended consequences,” he said.
“I’m concerned the bill overreaches and is fundamentally flawed.”
Liberal senator Brett Mason told the chamber family law matters were emotionally charged complex disputes.
He said shared care was an important idea to strive for.
“This bill is a rollback of the shared care reforms,” Senator Mason said.
“This bill tips the scale back towards hell.”
Senator Mason said changes to the meaning of violence trivialised the definition.
He said children need to be protected from false allegations of sex abuse by one parent to another.
Australian Greens senator Rachel Siewert told the chamber her party had long been concerned about the presumption of equal shared parental responsibility.
She said children had been turned into a commodity under the Howard government’s reforms.
“We believe this has put many children and their families in dangerous situations.”
She said the changes undid some of the “mistakes of the Howard government”.
Senator Rachel Siewert however failed to explain that she too was in a shared parenting arrangement, and were these new amendments to be applied to her situation given her rigorous work schedule, she would no doubt lose significant contact with her child, due to no abusive behaviour on her part.
Coalition senators unsuccessfully sought to continue debate on the bill, arguing it was too important to guillotine debate.
In a fiery conclusion Liberal senator Ian Macdonald accused Labor senator Jacinta Collins of reading his notes during a vote, when the parties swapped sides.
Deputy Senate president Stephen Parry said he would refer the matter to President of the Senate John Hogg for advice despite the protestations of Senator Kate Lundy, who said the allegation was “utterly false” and “absolutely without basis”.
The Family Law Legislation Amendment (Family Violence and Other Measures) Bill 2011 passed after amendments by the coalition and Greens were defeated, with minor amendments by the government agreed.
Ironically, the impact of these amendments are expected to completely repeal the Shared Parenting provisions passed by both Labor and the Coalition in 2006, and most experts expect the reforms to endorse a presumption of guilt of child abuse against most separated fathers, which is widely believed to have been the intent of the Attorney General, Robert McClelland, who was the driving force behind these changes.
Fathers4Equality, a shared parenting lobby group that has warned of the dangers of ignoring the rights of children in the interests of gender politics, predicts that Labor will pay a heavy price for its betrayal of Australian children, come the nest federal election.
“I think Labor will get the shock of its life when it realises that playing politics with the safety and welfare of children can be electoral poison, despite their push to change these laws in the dead of night.”, said Ash Patil, President of Fathers4Equality.
If anything, these Hate laws have made all Australian fathers acutely aware that they need to speak up against this abuse, for our children’s sake.”
Fathers4Equality currently have 30,000 members enrolled in their “Strength in Numbers” campaign, each member having vowed to vote as a block against Labor come the next election.
“We are receiving about 100 new members a day because of the word-of-mouth factor of these amendments, but we encourage all parent’s who put a child’s right ahead of gender politics or the interests of family law lawyers to register now in our campaign, in preparation for the next federal election”, Patil said.
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this law will open the flood gates to more false allegations if they really wanted to do something to make our family law system better they would make it compulsory for tems of imprisionment for false allegations….In no other court is it ok to lie n get away with it…..false allegations RUIN lives the victum of the false allegtions and the most important the children….unless uv been through false allegations ul hv no idea of the pain n suffering it causes…..but why would any politicians care they r all liars n cheats…julia gillard the worst of them…same on all the people who voted for her how unaustralian she is shittin on her mate …its about time we make up some false allegations about her see how she likes it….
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Put carrots in front of donkeys, and you can lead them any ware! Brake down the family unit, this will alienate individuals with in their own community. Making them more reliant on the government! (A police and nanny state) Family law is designed to brake down the family unit. Look at the divorce rate since its conception back in 1975. No wonder our community is violent and drugfuked. Family law has turned our children, into little meal tickets! And objects of financial value to be bartered with, in a court of law. This is true child abuse! It’s a fathers love and duty to protect his offspring’s! 24-7! They have been F__king with our human rights, and civil liberties! And now their f__king with our families! What else do you expect from government! It must be time for action! (A national rally) Or have we all lost our “balls” I’m in 4 it! Personally, I’d go to jail on a hunger strike! Before putting up with this sort of shit! What a route! Look at all the sad and angry children out there! The rise in youth suicide! Time 4 men 2 B “Men”
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Lets say that there is good and bad in both sexes and no matter what the situation is violence is not acceptable to anyone. If you have been a victim then hopefully like said before it is a step forward. If someone can abuse someone that they had a child to What sort of person are they really. Isn’t it suppost to mean you love that person whom you have had a child too. Why is that it ok to have the fun in the first place and then the responsibility comes after that both men and women today can’t get it together for there childrens sake. Surely it is about give in take. But somehow in todays society it has all gone haywire.
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The new laws would have done nothing to save those poor girls from their murderous mother in Geraldton.
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sick cow.crts or whoever you are. Yeah i too had sole custody of my daughter. After 3 years of living alone with her mother she was half feral and in a class for slow children. Now she has just finished a 4 year degree in psychology with honours and will be starting her PHD next year. She lived solely with me once i got custody and was only allowed to see her mother under supervision for a couple of hours every fortnight. Bet that hurts ya doesn’t it sicko. You will NEVER convince my daughter that she was better off with her mother. Yeah instead of shared care lets place more children in the sole care of their FATHERS. Much better that than languish in the care of abusive and neglecting sicko mothers like yourself, as my own daughter was forced to do by our so called family court.
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I feel this is a great step for real victims of abuse and domestic violence as I have been a victim of this issue. I feel different about if that is all a woman has to do is make up a fetishes lie
though to stop the father having his rights. I have been in fear of losing my children to an abuser and if the issue is genuine then by all mean this is a step forward. Because the issue is about the children not the parents it is the children whom suffer. I know having both my parents as a child it would have torn me apart for them to split up but I was lucky in that way they didn’t, as adults we have the capability to try and solve our issues and get help before we have children to whom we don’t want to settle down with. I thought that I would have had a nice family life too but it was just a dream!! Just seems to me that people just can’t get it together anymore these days!!!!!
I ask you if you were a victim of abuse everyday in every form and you had noway to get some serious help and you were in fear of that maybe occuring to your children Would you see this is as a foot forward????
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Like quite a few women, Julia Gillard is as false as her hair color..whether it be red, claret, carrot, cerise, mahogany or rust. You always have to check downstairs for the real color, unless she’s another Lady Remmington.
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The blame is not put on ALL WEMEN, yes I agree there are men out there that do abuse there partners and there children. But NOT ALL MEN are abusers, and it is these ones that cop the shit and pay for it, THERE ARE WEMEN who do abuse there partners and there children.
The truth of the charge has to be proven before laying the blame on the father, and if fund no matter who is gilty the everdace has to prove it,the and only then shou;d the blame be layed.
There are men/wemen out there that lie to get what they wont, plus they will lie to there children and to her family and his, and there friends. So you have to FIND THE TRUTH AND EVEDANCE before laying the gilt.
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Paw Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Ena,
You are so right. I couldn’t agree with you more. But unfortunately with these new changes, vindictive lying women can get the court to put a violence order on the father and have contact with the children banned permanently.
And she will not need to prove any of her lies.
In fact, if Ragnvald & childrensrightstosafety were serious about wanting us to believe they cared about the safety of children, then according to the state govts and fed govt of this country, the children should be spending full-custody time with their fathers, because all the stats show that the mothers abuse their own children up to 5 times more than the fathers do.
Because these angry women only think that mothers are the proper and default parent, even if they are abusers, the majority of the children in Australia who do not see one parent, and there are over a million of them, spend their time with an abusive mother.
So much for truly caring for their children!
Ena, I also fully agree with your comments that there are abusive men and women out there. And if there is going to be abuse alleged in a family court, then they should be forced to put the evidence up to prove their claim, or told to shut up!
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Ena Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Hi paw
Yes I know, but shorly the family courts,children serveces will wake up to them selfs? but I supose it is like trying to get a mule to water.
Yes I know, and they wonder why the men get so angry with them, and they do thing that hurt the hole family. We have read, heard and seen it on the news, BUT do they CARE.
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So So True ZAC..:)
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MMMMM, and who the hell do You think You are Childrensrightstosafety, You have No idea of what you are talking about…Is Your Name PATTY or TEENA, go to hell. You love your kids, That is a load of Bullshit right there..cause if You thought about what YOUR KIDS wanted it wouldn’t be the same as YOU…..I have 3 Younger Children to My Second Partner and He has the Kids as Much as i do, and My children,I and My EX wouldn’t have it any other way……..Oh did i mention we live 2hrs from each other, He drives Trucks so i will be damned if i don’t make sure these kids see there Dad regular as there maybe a day that he won’t come home…Oh i forgot to mention that My current Hubby drives Trucks aswel, and the same with him, who is going to explain to His kids the reason why they will never see there Dad again because He never Made it home…Oh thats right DIPSHIT its all about YOU..get the hell over yourself…Unlike YOU and MANY other selfish, self centered, Manipulating, Nasty woman I do THINK of ALL my children….So go back under that rock that You climbed out Under and go and wreck someone elses lives a little bit more…Oh have a nice day DIPSHIT….
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Paw Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
I dips me lid to you Erica!
Well said. I could not have said better if I tried myself. But then, when there is a nasty angry coniving alienating mother spewing her poison on a blog, the best way to deal with them is for an upright and honourable woman such as yourself to come along and give this idiot a wake up call.
Why doesn’t this Childrensrightstosafety “Woman-up” as she so arrogantly puts it, and hand her children to the only safe parent, which is the father, so they can live in only one home in safety without being taught to hate the other parent.
I bet she and all the other mothers like her, would never consider allowing the child/ren to live with their fathers. Oh no, that would be bad. They would then lose all that power and money.
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Erica Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Hi Paw
I have listened,watched and been there in person with the likes of these woman, When i split from My second relationship My children where 6×2 Yes Twins and 2, both myself and my ex sat down and worked out all arrangements for the children before he even walked out the door….We even spoke about when the children where old enough to make the own desicions if they chose to live with there Dad they would be able to….That never become because They where happy in both Homes, with there MUM and DAD still keeping the commication OPEN…..At the kids old school The head master and teachers had NO IDEA that the kids DAD didnt even live with US…So what does that say to YOU……Like i said Before don’t get me started with This shit……It makes Me SOOOOOOO ANGRY to see kids been torn between 2 Parents when it has NOTHING to do with THEM….
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Paw Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Erica,
You have spelt it out so well, the reason why proper shared care works and works so well.
The only reason why shared care doesn’t work, is if there is one parent who is constantly trying to de-rail the arrangement, by making the lives of the children miserble. And I am convinced this is what this fool on this blog has done with her kids, so that they chose to only live with her.
And as for her stupid uneducated opinion about Dr. Gardner and his findings. He has blazed the trail for many suffering alienated parents and their children.
Very soon we shall see alienation and its sydrome in the children, added to the DSM, and soon there after it will be added into Australian psycho medicine and laws.
It is the view of the “educated normal people” that alienating a child from a parent they love, is the worst possible form of child abuse known to Mankind, and that these parents should be punished with the full force of the law.
Whether that ever happens or not, is something we will have to wait and see, but I do doubt it will ever happen.
At the very least, innocent children will finally get the help and recognition ‘in law’ that they so richly deserve and nasty angry parents will be told to either grow up or lose your kids.
LEE-ANNE Reply:
November 27th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
How wonderful, wht an excellent example of how to separate. your children are soooooo lucky and you are obviously very mature. well well done. I wish you would hold class for all parents separating and teach them how to do it properly for thier children’s sake.
these changes scare me, our society does not need more chldren going up without the love and care and teaching from thier father.
thank you
To childrensrightstosafety >>
Please stop posting on this site or you will be banned.
We are well aware of the position of people of your ilk.
In any case, you perhaps should spend more time parenting and less time surfing the web given your responsibilities and parenting status.
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Dear childrensrighttosafety – all the reports of the 2006 reforms were positive about shared parenting in fact it was very hard to find a government report that said that shared parenting was not the best care regime where parents worked together. Remember only 3% of family court cases make it to trial. Most people work something out before the court comes into the picture. The popular belief is that shared parenting is fair and equitable and best for children to have a good relationship with both parents. Have you considered that shared care is a routine like any other living arrangement? Children are not living spit lives. As children grow they have to conform to many more social conventions than living in two houses. Travelling is often normal for intact families so I can’t see how this can be a problem. The way you express yourself on here points yourself out as a controlling abusive parent so you wouldn’t acknowledge any of the abuse you dish out. I suggest you go an get professional help.
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Men will never be treated equal in anything to do with family law, they are alway the bad guy. I have a friend that got the roar deal from his ex wife and children servese, he has been kick in the guts so meany times it was not funny
No wife should dangle there children in front of the father like a carret to get what she won’t, sooner the legal people see that the better it will be, for if a father did that he would be the worst barsted in the world, yet nothing is said when the mother does it.
WHERE IS THE JUSTICE /AND THE LAW FOR MEN
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childrensrightstosafety Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 5:38 am
have u thought that children hate living out of their school back packs?? Have u thought that your “friend” may just be so self centred not to notice or understand that his kids DONT want to see him?? why do u people always think its the MOTHER!!!???? Have u thought that perhaps the kids dont want to live in 2 different houses? out of school bags? why do you all need overnights? people sleep at night..oh sorry I forgot because only by getting Overnights do non residential parents get their CSA payments decreased and only by getting overnights do you get FTB A & B over 34%…how silly!
and obviously your friend is too dense to get the message,children are NOT property and you cannot split human beings, like furniture or money, perhaps if you all thought along those lines this whole sorry state of affairs wouldnt exist
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Oggi Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 5:59 am
Dear Childrensrighttosafety – my son loves living with both myself and his mother. He does not live out of a school back pack. He lives in my home as well as his mother’s house and has more than of everything that he needs. It is not normal for children to not to want to know and love and be loved by both of their parents. But his can occur if one parent aligns the children against the other parent. This is abuse. Your response indicates that you are only interested in overnight care for the pay cheque as you have failed to give reasons why you would have your children over night. Can I suggest that a lot of high quality time with children occurs at these times – family evening meals together, homework, washing, dressing, bedtime stories, prayers etc… Remember when the family was intact this was the only time Dad could see his kids because he was out during the day working his butt off to provide for everyone. You seem to think that whilst children cannot be split that it’s OK for the father can be totally gutted and left for the scrap heap. You certainly have some problems and clearly show that you are not fit to be a parent. It’s the parents with your attitude that are causing all the problems in our society.
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childrensrightstosafety Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 6:17 am
Dear Oggi I have FULL custody of my children and have elected to receive NO child support,so I am not interested in any pay cheques..and my comment is based on the fact that my own children had to live 50/50 for a period of time and HATED every minute of it..also it is based on my observations as a health professional working in children’s health that they hate it..and that since share care has been enforced there has been a 30% increase in child and adolescent mental health issues…I dont have any problems at all, the problem is that children hate share care and they are too scared to say anything because they are threatened with the loss of one parent usually the parent that they want to live with, and in todays society I also see many mothers working their butts off as you so quaintly put it..children thrive on routine and share care messes this up…perhaps the father should man up , why should children be inconvenienced so that dad isnt gutted?? if you loved your children you would do what is best for them ..not what is best for you….
My children REFUSED to live in 2 houses and I did not say anything to them..or alienated them either as you cannot alienate a child from a parent that they love, no one can do that..alienation is a made up concept by a discredited American supposed psychiatrist to justify the handing over of children to unfit parents after they paid him large sums of monies and thats why he killed himself when his psycho babble was found to be just that babble but as a result thousands of children suffer from his deluded ramblings every day..My kids dont hate the other parent..they just want to live in one house..why dont you try it for a year living in 2 different households….Some children have to travel for 2 -3 hours round trip week on and week off from their school..that is not healthy..who benefits? children dont..they are merely collateral damage in the fallout of a relationship break up…as you say it isnt normal for children not to love both parents I agree but it is not normal for anyone to be forced to live in two houses..and why can you not have family evening meals and homework time and then return the child to his/her main place of residence?? …that would be the loving and sensible thing to do..no a bad parent is one who expects his or her child to live two split separate lives so that they dont feel gutted as u say
Dear Mr Evans,
My name is Ena, I have been married Twice and Devorced Twice. But in some case with men I am with them in more ways than one, I belive that not all men are to blame for all of it, wemen must take the blame for half of it also. I am not good at putting things down, not all men abouce children, there are wemen also that do it,but most of them get away with it with possible illness.
I think it is easer to lay the blame on men, for most of them think that only men do it WELL I am sory to say that is a lote of bull shit (Sorry for that) but it is true wemen get away with a lot and I think thay should take half the blame but no it is easer to lay the blame at the feet of the men.
Now to child support, it is not right on how they wwork out payments, they take it on there full earnings instead of working it out on what they bring home. wemen think they can bleed men dry and get what they wont with tears in the eyes and a few dad words in lawyers and children servece ear, and they beleve everything she says, is there any nivestergation to see if any of the charges are true, but no they belive everything the wemen say and dismiss what ever he has to say. Every one belives the he is guilty no matter what.
They should belive that only men can do domestic violenc, WELL sorry not all men hit or balt wemen,DON’T they know that there are wemen that abuse men too, If the watch some of the british polece files / stories they will see that wemen can and willabuse men, so agoin it is not all men who do it.men also suffer depression also, and they are not a wosh for it and they are not weck either. They should wake up to them self that the blame lays at both sides, and evedance should be proven first before laying the blame soly at the feet of the men.
I am sorry if what I have said does not make much sence, as I said befor I am not good at putting my thoughts down, and if I was amongest a group of wemon I would be sluted by my own sex because I stand be the men and belive they are getting a very roar deal. and the goverment should look at the law again.
Kind Regards
ena
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I agree
There is no complete answer that is win win all the time it is about reducing the harm done. Prenups would give both parties time to think more objectively esp if potential children were in the contract. I also agree with the contract issue. Marriage is an unusual contract as it is not enforced in the usual manner nor is the contract drawn up in a proper fashion cf other contracts. I also get that you can’t stop people behaving badly but you can severely discourage it and courts unwillingness to do so in the naive name of the children just massively encourages more people (mainly women in this context) to do same so more kids are damaged. Lets not be naive, in the emotional conflict driven divorce scenario people behave badly – they lie and cheat and steal for personal gain – many many do this. Women use access to the kids and Men use economics.The balance is so far towards the women due to the law being able to legally ‘steal’ from the provider but being unwilling to penalise the ‘caring’ women when they fail to do the right thing. Anyone who has been through the family courts knows this and the absolute hypocrisy of the courts and government today. So we need to be smarter. e.g We need to attack the CSA regulations that allow women to refuse to pay for their children’s needs once the provider has been forced to provide with no balance i.e. the woman can just refuse to contribute, we need to agree with the principles of the children come first and we need to target the failure of the legislation to bring this about. It is quite possible and it is not rocket science it just takes belief and effort – that is how the feminists got their way – sadly they were so successful that they have now lost their soul along the way.
John Evans
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I’m not surprised when I listen to parliament live on the radio. The Greens and Labour are not rational and personal agenda driven. We Men need to be smarter. Women disagree more than men but they are galvanised on certain issues that they have in common and we should attack that.
As a start I think that Men’s weakness is often financial as they are usually the higher income earners — courts have been regaled by feminists for year and now freely attack / remove income from Males and give it to Females. Prenups would largely prevent this but we sucker Men fall every time for the old lie about that not being consistent with ‘love’. Well if we could get the law changed to make it compulsory to have prenup for every marriage that would take that out of the equation. It is an easily defendable position as it makes both parties have a reality check and it is ‘for the children’ as provisions for children could be compulsorily included. At least that way both parties know where they stand and some of the lies that go on can be negated.
Please don’t dismiss this out of hand but think on it – I have given a lot of thought to this.
Regards
John Evans
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Howard Beale Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 1:04 am
I have also thought along the prenup lines. If the courts won’t implement a presumption of maximum practicable time, not necessarily equal but dependent on work, age of child, etc…, with both parents as being in the best interests of the child, which is my interpretation of the existent law, – and there are 2000+ published peer reviewed research studies to support that this is in fact the best interests of the child – and the Courts also agree that it is beneficial for the child for parents to come to their own agreed parenting arrangements without the child harming conflict of trial litigation, then why should it matter when that parenting arrangement is made, either before separation when the parents are rational and communicating directly about the best interests of their children or at separation when the parents are vulnerable, fearful, and easily manipulated by lawyers more interested in profit?
Of course the lawyers and the courts will find this highly inappropriate, if not contempt, to usurp the power of the family court, etc, etc…. that is, unprofitable. But all marriage is a contract why not include the children just the same as a will
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I don’t think they should just blame it on the men only. Wemen also can do child abuse TOO, So can someone tell me why it is always laid at the mens feet.
Have they fogottin wemen can balt and sexualy assalt children OR is it just easer to lay the blam all on men, as NO poor female would dear hurt a child unless she is ill (Well that is a lot of bull shit) it is a COUGH OUT.
Same as abuse wemen there is also abuse me and it has been proven that wemen have and can abused men. So the law should work both aways and the punishment should be the same for both, not just one Men SO WHY JUST MEN it is not a just law so correct
it befor you do more danage.
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Thanks Paw
i am a True believer that ALL children and FATHERS should be able to have that contacted with each, Unless it is PROVEN that the father is a known ABUSER and can be PROVEN….Not by the word of a Nasty Mother…..If a Parent wants to be apart of there Childrens Lives let it be. But if THEY choose to walk away well thats there problem, but don’t be putting Bullshit into there heads as they are growing Up, the kids already have the belief that they have done something wrong for MUM and DAD to split in the first place…
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Paw Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
“the kids already have the belief that they have done something wrong for MUM and DAD to split in the first place…”
Sigh!
Sadly this is the case in most family bust ups. It is also made so much worse when parents go to war over children and property. If only they could put aside their selfish views and get back to caring for the innocent children they are harming.
And of course the other issues to do with abuse are so skewed against men that it is one of the major causes of the post-family disfunction. False allegations abound, children lose fathers and fathers either suffer horrendously through the loss of children or they commit suicide.
It is now a well documented fact that women perpetrate very close to the same amount of DV or intimate partner violence as do men, yet they are forgiven for this and these perpetrators receive no help to stop their abuse.
Children are abused by their mothers so much more, but they are also forgiven and receive no help to stop the abuse.
God only knows what the answer to all this is, because nothing will be changed through the small political pressure that the fathers and family groups are only just managing to muster.
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Yet another website that pushes the Duluth Model of fathers are abusers and mothers are innocent victims.
I noted down the page how they wheeled out the bullshit statistics of the number of children and women abused, but then you see that these stats were obtained from women’s refuges and court stats.
Women’s refuges are the most biased places on earth to obtain stats from. If you want lies, then go to one of these places.
The only worthy information on that page is the info about grooming.
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Paw Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:47 pm
This post did not come through where it was supposed to.
It was intended as a response to the one below from ‘Ragnvald’ that by the looks of it has just been deleted due to its nature.
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MMMM where do i start with this shit….My Husband of 10 yrs has a current COURT ORDER in place, which You might as well wipe your Back side with it. Up to NOW we have not seen Our Two girls for coming up 3 yrs… The mother of the girls has STOPPED ALL CONTACT with the Girls and has broken every part of the order…We are currently going back to court as soon as we get a date set down… But with this now in place she WILL be one of THOSE mothers that we claim ABUSE…. Talking about abuse this woman has a LONG history of Abuse towards the Girls 150 pages over a period of the first 10yrs of her oldest daughters life, with DOC’S…But NOTHING has ever been done on DOC’S or the courts behalf… So you could say the Court has let Us and the Girls down….So to the do gooders that think the law is good for the Kids pull Your head out of Your ass and think of the Kids for a change instead of Trying to destroy and get back at the DAD…
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Paw Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Erica,
Sorry to hear about the issue with your husbands children. This is unfortunately a very typical scenario in the divorce court in Aust and it is only going to get a whole lot worse.
The WA Dept of Child Protection figures of child abuse from the 4 year periods of 2005-2006 & 2007-2008, have shown that mothers abuse their own natural children up to 5 times more than the natural father does. Yet we only ever hear about the bad dads.
Little Darcy Freeman who lost her innocent life because of an out of control father who committed a criminal act; where this little girl was the catilyst that set the nasty raging feminists on their campaign to change the laws, was not the first child to die from that bridge.
Only less than a year before Darcy, baby Oliver Garcia was murdered by his mother from the same spot, as she jumped over the edge killing herself and Oliver. But nothing is said about this murderous act. Indeed, anytime a woman kills a child, she is afforded an excuse and is given sympathy.
The same occurs when a mother abuses her children. Fathers on the other hand are condemned and cries go out for them to be put down like rabid dogs. And just so you know, I personally don’t care who kills a child, the fact is they are murderers and belong in prison for what they have done.
Most of us men know exactly how your husband feels, because we also have lost children to vicious mothers. Some of us have not had these lost children in our lives for decades.
I commiserate with you being a loving second wife. Be sure to expect to receive some hate posts here. In the last 24 hours this blog has been overrun by some nasty feminists who have been abusing other posters. So, knowing how these nasty feminists hate happily married women too, you can expect to be attacked also.
Just thought I’d warn you.
And best of luck in the court. I just don’t know how you are going to go. You and your husband will need to weigh up the cost, because you will lose all your money on this and the courts will do little to help.
Please let us know how you get on.
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Erica Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Hi Paw,
Let them bring it on, i have delt with the nasty and the Manipulation and all the bullshit that comes from a pysico that believes they are doing the right thing by there Kids…I to come from an abusive relationship to My first Husband of 6 yrs….We had 2 beautiful girls age 23 and 20 NOW, we had court orders for him to have Access not EVER did i EVER stop My girls from seeing there Dad, The abuse was towards ME not my Girls, so again i say pull Your heads In and start thinking of the Kids…..
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Paw Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Hi Erica,
I applaud you for being an honourable mother. Unfortunately, it seems the majority of mothers who aggressively take or force their case into the divorce court, only have one thing on their mind, which is the further abuse of their exes. The main weapon to be used, is the children.
It’s a pity there are not many more like you who are prepared to speak out publicly against this evil.
childrensrightstosafety Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 5:43 am
Good God!!! Are u for real?????
you are now posting posts making out you are women supporting your cause..unbelievable!!!!
No mother who is a victim of DV would ever say any of this
u must be joking!
Family Court judges and Federal Magistrates should hold on to their respective seats as ‘sanctioned’ lies, that are presented before them, ramp up a gear.
Until now judges rarely impose sanctions on known (proven) perjurers in Family Law proceedings and say little more than, eg; “I find that (allegation) very hard to believe.
Yes, our children will judge and yes, we will be leaving them with a dog’s breakfast if we don’t protest or kick out this government.
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Paw Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Zac, getting rid of Gillard and her mob of Communist/feminist/homosexual/father hating/family hating/child abusing criminals, will probably not achieve much as far as the new changes are concerned. The most immediate positive will be to arrest any further society destroying changes these bastards can come up with.
However, who do we have as an alternative govt?
All we’ve got is Speedo and his band of missfits!
What the hell are they going to do?
They have already proven in the past that they don’t give a shit either, and if Labor changes something, then Liberal isn’t gonna bother changing it back, unless of course it is injurous to the ‘big business sponsors’. Then they will actively seek to roll back the offending legislation, which is what they have promised to do with the Carbon Tax.
Which by the way is only an extortion tax, because most of the “Eminent (honourable) Scientists”, are not govt paid flunkeys and they disagree with the ‘man generated global warming’ theory and they also state that any ETS or Carbon Tax, will have zero effect on anything involving the Earth’s atmosphere.
But I digress.
When the Gillard criminals have left govt, they will have put in place hugely damaging policy and laws and we will be left with the fallout and our children will continue to suffer the burden of being raised by abusive women without the protective care of their fathers.
And unfortunately the slimy greedy lawyers and judges will be rubbing their dirty grubby little hands together, with the knowledge of a huge winfall coming their way. There are very few honourable lawyers and judges in either the divorce court or the criminal courts. They are they to (mal)practice their craft (graft) and get as much out of the innocent victims as they can.
Our only recourse is to change society again, in the same manner the nasty femmos did. We have to re-educate the women!
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Shared Care is Dead
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/shared-care-dead-as-mother-stands-firm-on-no-access/story-fn59niix-1226204169231
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childrensrightstosafety Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 6:02 am
yes DEAD DEAD DEAD and about time to!!! time for ALL children to feel safe and rejoice and sleep in their OWN beds at night, not forced to share beds with other kids that they dont know,sleep on couches or even loungeroom floors,live out of school back packs for half their life,miss out on activities with friends,miss out on sport activities and the like..ITS DEAD !!! and the sound of happy happy children is ringing in the streets
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zac Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
How much of this poison have your children swallowed. Think of the consequences of your childrens’ health after years of this venom.
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I have just deleted a whole batch of hateful posts from either another Michael Flood alias, or some hateful woman.
Helpless victims of domestic violence? I think not.
More like passive aggressive sociopaths who delight in spewing hate speech.
If these violent and abusive women return, I ask other posters to ignore them. They will be delted as spam soon enough.
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childrensrightstosafety Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 5:48 am
oh ..there u are…wondering what u have been up to?? looks like u and ur cronies have been writing posts making out you are women victims of DV in SUPPORT of abusive ex partners and fathers …LMAO!!!!
oh well,Howard’s diarrhea splattered all over the Family Law Act will be cleaned up soon enough, along with the vile shared responsability presumption which is nothing except child abuse…KIDS HATE LIVING IN 2 HOMES and KIDS SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM ABUSE..If u are not an abusive parent u have NOTHING to worry about/…
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zac Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Most of the children of separated families that I know want to spend quality time with both parents.
In my own family case my younger daughter (11) candidly says that I, her father, am her most favourite person in the world. I’m the parent that trained her on her way to being her school swimming champion and stayed put in her school town (unlike her mother) so that she had continuity, in her education and social life.
But her older sister (15), who has had mental health problems (as a direct result of her mother’s criminally false Family law testimony) now lives exclusively with her ‘emotional’ abuser who, like the typical child abuser, has led her away with the promise of expensive gifts and inducements and blackened her father’s image, just as my ex-wife’s mother did to her.
Each Family Law case is different, and it often effects siblings differently. Family Court judgements are tricky enough, harder if the truth is stretched to breaking point, as it often is….
The children will suffer the most from manufactured lies.
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After being a big supporter of the Greens I would suggest they are controlled by more profeminist ideology than the Labor party. They spout ideas such as a world without men etc… Like I said before let them become the cannon fodder they wish to be.
Those of us who work with children know the facts – children are more likely to suffer abuse whilst in the care of their mother.
The Family Court has always had the power to deal with abuse allegations effectively. The court will now probably become clogged with false claims and more fighting parents.
Whether this legislation will remove the standard every 2nd weekend and half of school holidays from the parent with less than majority care that existed prior to 2006 changes, is unlikely.
Although an increase in orders excluding a parent from a child’s life completely will most likely cause a greater backlash than the 2006 changes by next 2 elections and ensure the Greens and Labour stay out of Government for a long time.
The crazy taxes currently being implemented alone whilst the world is in deep financial trouble will ensure further changes to social policy in the future that will see more single mothers made to get off their backsides and into the work force.
The profeminists may think they have been clever in disguising their campaign to attack the shared parental responsibility legislation.
I think it’s just another example of their selfish immature power hungry behaviour.
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After a false allegations of sexual child abuse are made a child is then taken to a doctor and subjected to inspection, Does the real child abuse get dealt with after the child is often humiliated Unnecessarily?
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Congratulations Michael Flood.
You have saved Australia’s children by denying them their father.
I hope you can sleep well at night.
Of all the malicious child abusers in Australia, I rank Michael Flood at the top of the list, because as a result of the anti-male family law amendments that Michael Flood so strongly lobbied for, more children than ever will be abused behind closed doors.
Michael Flood has blood on his hands.
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I hate Julia Gillard, and this is another reason why.
Why not judge both mothers and fathers equally?
The Greens are also vile given they lied for years about their support for shared parenting.
Bring on an election as these incompetents need to go!
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I agree and think that may parents will continue to work shared parenting arrangements out together regardless of theses new laws.
Remember that many other changes have occurred than will not be effected.
Child support changes
Parenting Payment Single work requirements
The push for double income family as the norm
Girls being pushed into the careers more
and when the Gillard Government is pushed out at the next election the pendulum may swing again.
We need to provide support for boys, men and fathers to help them gain the social skills needed to avoid the angry abusive man label etc… They need to understand that they don’t need to be the all provider, head of the home or chief problem solver. I say let the feminists become the cannon fodder, as this is what they appear to want.
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The Bill should be seen for what it really is – feminist pork for radical ideologues to pursue their dreams of an androgynous, fully working ideal Marxist society and a disgraceful attempt by lawyers to keep their multibillion dollar Family Law gravy train alive and well.
The amendments are not enlightened new procedures for protecting unknown woman afraid to make allegations. They are a declaration of martial law against men, justified by an imaginary “family violence” emergency, and a betrayal of children.
Legislators must resist these dangerous moves to eviscerate the presumption of innocence and to remove penalties for knowingly false allegations. These fundamental protections of Western jurisprudence must be preserved regardless of gender. Fathers and Mothers must be allowed these equivalent protections of law given to murderers and rapists.
There are massive hidden social, economic and political costs in this Bill for the “nationalisation of family”, conservatively estimated at around $12B/yr for massive increases in welfare, the mass criminalization and incarceration of men, and dealing with the Pandora’s box of personal and social pathologies directly associated with mass fatherlessness – an absolute riot.
With divorce ending 52% of marriages, 68% of 2nd and higher for defacto’s the Bill funnels half the nation’s private wealth into a family law-domestic violence racket headed by a judiciary itself so crooked that the system is hardly more than organised crime.
It is not healthy for a democracy for such wealth and power to be so concentrated in so few unelected and unaccountable family court judges.
We worry about the UN, world banks & Islam usurping our sovereignty while we have our own elected zealots planting political and legislative bombs in our social fabric. Enough BS about protecting our children from us.
We worry about the UN, world banks & islam usurping our sovereignty
when we have an underhanded version manifesting political and
legislative bombs in our social policy.
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What is sad that the changes in the law will only apply to women. Men who make false allegations will of course continue to be ignored. Indeed, false allgeations should not be given any credence whatsoever, but we know that for women, it will be financial and family destruction without question, without proof and without reason.
I have an IVO hearing against my ex-wife on January 9 2012. These changes to the laws will do absolutely nothing to protect the children, me or my property. The magistrate is known to be antio male and has turned down most applications from males that I have withnessed. I was denied an interim IVO as well.
All my ex has to say is that she is more afraid of me than me and the kids are of her and it’s all over. The extensions of the definition of domesic or family violence will be ignored purely because of the gender of the person applying for the IVO. The legal system will fail the kids, and it will fail me. It has done for the last decade, these changes will make it worse.
With a failed IVO application, this is then a licence to commit violence. At least that is how my ex will see it, and the extortion, stalking, surveillance, threats, harrassment and blackmail will escalate. And what recourse do I have?
With these changes to the law, the children are at increased risk, not a reduced risk Does the magistrate care? WIll the changes protect the genuiinely at risk people. Not a chance.
I wish I could name the magistrate in question, but unfortunately, I can’t
Gillard and the greens must go!
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It all happened as expected and would not have happened any other way.
And as I have stated previously many times, these laws don’t do a damn thing to the dynamics of a family or indeed a family that is breaking up, unless of course someone actually has the evil intent to take full advantage of these laws.
We need to remember that divorce agreements can be made outside of the family court, and they do occur quite frequently. Why?
Because honourable women choose to not destroy their ex husbands and to further the heart ache and suffering of their children.
It is only a particular type of vicious animal that seeks to awaken the sleeping dragon that is the family court, to use it’s power to destroy the other parent. This sleeping dragon, up until that point, has no power and actually does no harm to any father, mother or child.
All your efforts of trying to change laws by using petitions in parliament and trying to get gutless self-serving politicians who have already bought into the feminist agenda, to vote for positive changes, will always come to naught.
Unless of course you all start getting serious about this issue and start attacking the perpetrators directly.
All western societies throughout the world were changed to what we have today by radical feminist, by attacking directly all men and indeed individual men. They have had overwhelming success.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire!
I know that I am seen as a woman hater by the foolish men who still think they need to come out in defense of the poor damsel in distress because this brute is accusing “certain” women of being evil. But at the end of the day, regardless of what these idiots think about me or not, the absolute fact is that nothing is going to change in our world, until we start attacking the establishment of female cronyism which is radical feminism and we also attack those evil female individuals who are guilty of crimes against humanity.
We must educate the bulk of the female population, who currently believe that all men are abusers of women and children, and show them that they have been lied to and brainwashed. We do this by exposing the criminals who have infiltrated positions of power.
They remind me of that Rat Heart Worm. The eggs are found in the slime of Snails and if allowed to enter your body (govt) they work their way up your spinal chord (through govt depts) into the brain (parliament) then start destroying the brain tissue from within, until the brain can no longer function and the victim dies.
Once we expose these worms and educate women, then we will have a huge force to be recond with and the majority of votes. Then we will see change occurring.
Prove me wrong all you dissenters. Because all your efforts have come to naught all these years. You are no closer to winning a Chook raffle, let alone changing these evil laws. In fact, we are going backwards.
Let us fight the war on the battle field and in the trenches and then re-educate our women, so that we can excise this pustular carbuncle that is radical feminism and all the little male pimples who have been hangers-on, from the carcass of our country permanently.
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I wonder if FReeksSuck – Flood’s patulous sphincter – ever tires of talkin’ thru his rear end?
The light being shone on the dirty secret of the Family Court is not what Gillard, Flood & all the other parasitic sociopaths want.
The “Underlying” Truth of the Family Law Amendments
http://www.facebook.com/notes/howard-beale/the-underlying-truth-of-the-family-law-bill-2011/193041320777603
Strange how you see this as some sort of victory – that children will lose fit and loving parents supposedly to protect unknown women afraid to make allegations.
The rest of us as a society have lose our civil rights to a presumption of innocence and protections against perjury to protect them, to put ourselves at risk of plunder and persecution of family lawyers and lose our own children to protect theirs.
I don’t get it. All they have to do is pick up the phone and dial 000 and the police are there instantly – take the house, assets, kids, future income and an AVO prevents any contact under threat of jail. They have domestic violence shelters, free legal assistance, government pensions, free housing… and still they cry “family violence” wolf for more and want to protect our kids from us.
As Senator Xenophon commented before the debate was gagged. This is Orwellian madness …
And it must be noted that this is the first time that Family Law amendments have passed without bipartisan support. The Government failed miserably to make its case.
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Howard Beale Reply:
November 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
“No person has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him” – Thomas Jefferson
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Unfortunately, the only parent who demands the default ‘mother owns the kids as chattels’ model, are the mothers. The courts also hold this veiw, with absolutely no justification. So your bleetings are disingenuous to say the least, when you spruke about the ‘best interests of the child’.
As for Nichols and Bryant, they have already been discredited on numerous occasions, as having bought into the father hating nasty feminist ideology, which is the same rubbish you espouse here.
And your pitiful attempt to negate the argument of there being no evidence to prove DV or child abuse, is indicitive of your bias and lack of education in these matters.
You, and all your ilk, deliberately ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence that proves mothers abuse their own natural children up to 5 times more than the natural fathers do. You side-step this fact/argument altogether, because you have no answer for this.
Women have been lying in courts, making false claims of DV to police for nearly 3 decades now. The vast majority of alienated parents in this country are fathers, because the courts have openly encouraged this abuse.
You also completely side-stepped and ignored the ‘fact’ that parental alienation IS A PROVEN ABUSE, and it is only time now before we see it entered into law.
You and your ilk, will one day be labelled abusers if you espouse the removal of one parent in favour of another.
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Yes I know they don;t won’t to get invoved, or they will loose the votes from the wemen. grrrrrrrrrrrr it makes me made that these people don;t have the GUTS TO GET OFF THERE ASS AND DO SOMTHING.
As I have said I am a women, have been married twice and no loger, I have four grown adult, and I have been hurt by both, so I am not nieve of what is going on, and yet I will stand by me when I know they have not done anything.
But there has to be a section in the law for everdence, they have it for shooters, robbers,bashers,and murders for both male and female. So why the hell not for family courts and abuse.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING THE LAW IS NOT ONE SIDED
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Alienation or alignment exists whether you like it or not. Remember Bush’s famous 9/11 statement – if you’re not with us then you are against us. The Family court is placed in a very difficult situation when the mother says she will become psychotic is the father see the children whilst all the father wants is to have a meaningful relationship with the children with 40-50% care as he is committed keep providing for his family and can’t care full time. It doesn’t take much intelligence to work out who the unreasonable abusive parent is with the my way or highway attitude. All children want is to know their parents the same way they did before they broke up.
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Paw Reply:
November 24th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Don’t worry Oggi, this woman Ragnvald or is it maybe one of Floody’s aliases, is only shit stirring by talking such garbage.
Only Floody or an angry mother or a nasty femminist sprukes the kind of ill informed and uneducated garbage this person is coming up with.
Rag…, from what you say about the WA Child Protection Stats, it is plainly obvious you have not even seen them.
Also, your comments about PAS, are taken straight off of radical feminists websites like NOW. Radical feminists do not want parental alienation proven to be real, because it means that the perpetrators of more than 95% of all cases worldwide being women, will mean that all those poor vicious sisters out there will have their child abusing activities reigned in by the law.
I know I am wasting my time coming back with another comment, because you will always want to have the last say, and I know that you are totally delluded on this topic, but there is a very high probability that come 2013 which is when the next review is for the DSM, Prental Alienation will more than likely be introduced as a disorder of parents who are sick in the head. There is more than a moderate support for this in the psychology industry worldwide and it is highly likely to be included.
This means that it will only be a matter of time before it ends up as law in every country.
Oh and read my words. I am not talking about PAS. I am referring to the criminal child abusive act of “Parental Alienation”.
And as for your idiotic statement about the courts ruling it as junk science. Hahahahahahahahahahaa!
I laugh at your fatuous attempt to prove that “experts” have denounced parental alienation.
Judges/lawyers etc, wouldn’t know if their collective arses were on fire. They only go by who brings to them the most convincing argument and who has paid the most expensive law firm to deliver the message. In other words, they are convinced by the dollar sign!
As with everything you say Rag…, there is nothing but nasty, angry feminist garbage that you have taken from others to spew out here in your hate posts.
And again as is typical, you being a nasty feminist, refuse to acknowledge the absolute fact that women are abusing children and husbands. You simply push out the same old barrow over and over with each post.
This is my last post on this topic, because I am finding it too hard to type and laugh at the same time over the idiocy of a woman (or floody) who bites so easily to anything that might be against the ‘sisterhoods’ so-called values.
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You are a fool Ragnvald. I have been telling my story now for a number of years on both mothers and fathers sites and it will never change, BECAUSE IT IS TRUE IN EVERY RESPECT. I do so not to big note myself but to hopefully give some hope to fathers who have been shafted by the system as i was, and to give inspiration to fathers as to what can be achieved. I also tell it on many of our politicians sites with the hope that they will eventually see that many fathers can make just as good parents as mothers and in many cases much better parents. I will continue to do so and hammer away until i’m 6 feet under or until people like yourself and many of our politicians are able to gather together enough brain cells to open their eyes and see the damage that is being done to many of our children and until fathers and their abused children get a fair deal in our so called family courts. Children just like my own.
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Paw Reply:
November 28th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Dave, don’t get worked up over this troll Rag…..
It is either Floody using one of his aliases or it is another radical femmo who is here just to shit stir.
Treat the idiot with all the contempt it deserves and don’t bother raising an issue with it. These types have nothing of any sense to state, they all spruke the same old man hate speech, because as you have so rightly pointed out, they don’t have the required brain cells to think for themselves, let alone think objectively.
And I commend you Mate, for being out there telling the truth and telling your story. Many of us have been doing that for a very long time now and hopefully one day someone will get the message.
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