Harbour Bridge Dad: One Man’s cry for Help will be ignored by the Gillard Government
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Dear Gus, MG & Matty (Austero Radio Triple M morning hosts),
I am writing today to thank you guys for your interview of Mick Fox, who climbed the Sydney Harbour Bridge and caused massive traffic delays, in protest at how he has been prevented from seeing his children by an uncaring and discriminatory Family Law system in this country.
Although I was appreciative of your fair and even handed interview of Mick Fox, one area not discussed during your interview was the Gillard government’s proposed changes to the Family Law act, that will place fathers like Mick Fox and his children in an even more precarious situation.
Currently the Australian Federal Senate is reviewing legislation put forward by the Australian Labor Party to dramatically change Family Law in this country, by removing the few remaining safeguards against child abuse in this country.
These draconian measures will effectively legalise ‘parential alienation‘, by removing the ‘friendly parent’ provision currently in the Family Law act. In short, this means that parents would be free to undermine the relationship the children have with the other parent, by any measure they choose, without any legal implications, penalty or recourse for the children or victim parent.
However of even more concern is the removal of any and all penalties against the making of false allegation in the Family Court. Currently, if a parent is found to have ‘knowingly’ made a false allegation in the Family Court about child abuse or domestic violence, a Judge may choose, at their discretion, to make this parent pay some of the legal costs of the victim parent.
However Julia Gillard and her Attorney General, Robert McLelland, want this provision removed, so that people can lie in Court, without any penalty at all against them.
Given human nature as it is, if you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain, many parents under the enormous stress of a divorce will choose to lie in the Family Court, and this is simply not good for our society, and not good for our children.
And it beggers belief that this government is proposing such changes without any thought at all at safeguards for he innocent victims of parental alienation and false allegations.
These changes will simply make a bad situation much much worse for kids and innocent parents, and we fear that will pass through the Senate, given the sexist policies of the Greens who will soon hold he balance of power, unless more parents are aware of these changes and what they really mean.
Please pass on this email to your listerners, and if they would like to know more, please direct them to:
Thanks guys
Ash Patil
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Well Andrew,
Once again a man is being lied to to protect a woman and the ever increasing work load of our Courts.
I refer to your statement: “I have been advised when approaching the QLD police with evidence of the mothers blatant perjury that as the DVO matter is a Civil matter there is no possibility of perjury charges being brought against the mother regardless of the clearly documentation blatant lying under oath in DVO Affidavit and on the stand at DVO hearing.”
I refer you and the Police, who lied to you, the Law of perjury applies to both Criminal and Civil Courts equally. What the police were saying is they will aid and abet a mother to lie by perverting justice by refusing to prosecute her regardless of the evidence.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/
CRIMINAL CODE ACT 1899 [QLD] – SECT 123
123 Perjury
(1) Any person who in any judicial proceeding, or for the purpose of instituting any judicial proceeding, knowingly gives false testimony touching any matter which is material to any question then depending in that proceeding, or intended to be raised in that proceeding, is guilty of a crime, which is called perjury.
(2) It is immaterial whether the testimony is given on oath or under any other sanction authorised by law.
(3) The forms and ceremonies used in administering the oath or in otherwise binding the person giving the testimony to speak the truth are immaterial, if the person assents to the forms and ceremonies actually used.
(4) It is immaterial whether the false testimony is given orally or in writing.
(5) It is immaterial whether the court or tribunal is properly constituted, or is held in the proper place, or not, if it actually acts as a court or tribunal in the proceeding in which the testimony is given.
(6) It is immaterial whether the person who gives the testimony is a competent witness or not, or whether the testimony is admissible in the proceeding or not.
(7) The offender cannot be arrested without warrant.
See my point;
NOTE: 123 Perjury (1) Any person who in any judicial proceeding, … (2) It is immaterial whether the testimony is given on oath or under any other sanction authorised by law. (4) It is immaterial whether the false testimony is given orally or in writing.
And the 1 I like is: (5) It is immaterial whether the court or tribunal is properly constituted,
So on what basis is your adviser claiming perjury is not a crime that can be prosecuted when perjury is committed in a Magistrates Court?
Are they claiming a Magistrates Court is not a court or tribunal?
All you need to do is take your evidence and demand your right to file charges of perjury.
Firstly write down the name and number of the officer you are seeking files your complaint, then if the desk officer will not take your complaints demand the Officer In Charge takes your complaint.
If you are still refused a right to make a complaint then tell them you will be filing with the CMC regarding those officers’s refusal to fore fill their duty to the law and justice thereby being conspirators after the fact to the counts of perjury.
Remind them of: CRIMINAL CODE 1899 – SECT 140 Attempting to pervert justice: A person who attempts to obstruct, prevent, pervert, or defeat the course of justice is guilty of a crime. Maximum penalty–7 years imprisonment.
Refusal to accept a complaint is an obstruction of justice is it not?
Good luck.
Ian
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zac Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:13 pm
You’re an absolute star Ian Mack..I nominate you for an honoury law degree at Basalt University.., a tough institution in the bush just down the road from me.
If only a current lawyer could passionately persue blatant perjurers , and an example be made, then we wouldn’t have to listen to crap advice from dopey cops and have ‘almost learned’ people, such as your good self, interpreting current legal provisions that should already be protecting us.
Thanks for being that passionate novice lawyer Ian.
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Ian Mack Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Whats your problem Zac? Are we in Vic and Andrew is in Qld the Bannana State?
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Andrew Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Thanks again Ian.
Really good news. After I spoke with the police today and experienced the same type of evasion re bringing charges of Perjury against the mother I cited the Perjury act and they referred me up the chain. Eventually police prosecution confirmed you were right. Looks like I will have an interview with a Detective in the near future and I have plenty of evidence. Great! Is it possible to have any recourse for lies in the Federal Magistrates Court when she has spoken with the Magistrate (not under oath) and also lied blatantly. I have evidence in Affidavit form that is also totally conflicting re the mothers Federal Magistrates Court Affidavits. I spent about a page in one of my Affidavits last time round before the last final orders drawing the Federal Magistrates Court to the mothers direct lies under oath in Affidavit for the Federal Magistrates Court and providing third party evidence to support this. The Federal Magistrates Court appeared to totally ignore this, do I have any recourse here?
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Ian Mack Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Hi Andrew,
Although the initial appearance is positive, I have learnt the hard way you need show you are taking a written record of who you are talking to before you give forward any information or complaint.
Regarding the Federal Mag Court, that is Federal Police Jurisdiction and the crimes are Federal, the perjury in the affidavit is both State and Federal therefore you have a different group of police to deal with.
The Federal Crime of perjury is called “Giving False Testimony” pursuant to s.35 Crimes Act (Cth) 1914.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca191482/
The Superior, theeby the Supreme Court of a State, I believe, has jurisdiction to hear both Cth and State crimes, that is, you can seek the police direct you to the Public Prosecutor and State Investigator who handles both State and Cth crimes rather than seek Federal Police assistance.
My experience with the Federal Police is that they will do what it takes to pervert justice by concealment of judicial and a women’s crimes against justice, just ask Bryant CJ who the Federal Police and AG protected from prosecution.
Good luck,
Ian
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Ian Mack Reply:
June 2nd, 2011 at 12:08 am
How has she spoken to the Mag other than under oath?
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Hi Andrew,
Re your “Re Police assistance I went into the Redlands Police station with plenty of evidence…”
Which State is that you are in, there is law in NSW regarding false allegations to the police called “Public Mischief”, but any other State I would need to check.
VIC did have a similar law in the ”Wrongs or Crimes Act” but I think it may have been revoked to protect woman from prosecution for wrongly seeking FVO, IO’s, DVO’s for false reasons or no “Just Cause”; thereby “No Equitable Reward” obtainable making the application frivolous; or vexatious if repetitive.
This touches your civil question I believe. Answer is, where there is “No Equitable Reward” possible from a civil suit at law, then the application is frivolous. Clearing ones name is arguably an “Equitable Reward” although expensive, which yesteryear was worth it because ones name was worth keeping in the Good Books.
Today how good ones name is, is irrelevant, just ask the AG McClelland, and judges of the High and Family Courts; their names are supposedly above reproach, yet they lie or act in contempt of: the Law of the Commonwealth, the Parliament, the People, and the Queen, often, as I see and hear it.
With such examples of misbehaviour to follow or be guided by, why would you not lie in Court and to everyone you meet?
Regarding your statement: “The police advised that the DVO are a Civil matter and perjury charges can not be brought against the mother regardless of her documented calculated repetitive and blatant lying.”
That is not true but depends on the State you are in as to how to proceed on the charge you wish to have the Police investigate and the Director of Prosecutions prosecute. That is, the complaint you wish the police to file from you and prosecute.
To give you an idea why I say what I say read on:
Crimes Act 1958 VIC- SECT 314
Perjury
314. Perjury
(1) Whosoever commits wilful and corrupt perjury or subornation of perjury shall be liable to level 4 imprisonment (15 years maximum).
(2) Where in any Act it is provided that any person shall be liable to the penalties of perjury or shall be guilty of perjury or shall be deemed to have committed perjury or any similar expression is used such person shall be deemed to have committed an offence against subsection (1) and may be proceeded against tried and punished accordingly.
(3) Where by or under any Act it is required or authorized that facts matters or things be verified or otherwise assured or ascertained by or upon the oath affirmation declaration or affidavit of some or any person, any person who in any such case takes or makes any oath affirmation or declaration so required or authorized and who knowingly wilfully and corruptly upon such oath affirmation or declaration deposes swears to or makes any false statement as to any such fact matter or thing, and any person who knowingly wilfully and corruptly upon oath deposes to the truth of any statement for so verifying assuring or ascertaining any such fact matter or thing or purporting so to do, or who knowingly wilfully and corruptly takes makes signs or subscribes any such affirmation declaration or affidavit as to any such fact matter or thing, such statement affirmation declaration or affidavit being untrue wholly or in part, or who knowingly wilfully and corruptly omits from any such affirmation declaration or affidavit it made or sworn under the provisions of any law any matter which by the provisions of such law is required to be stated in such affirmation declaration or affidavit, shall be deemed guilty of wilful and corrupt perjury. Nothing herein contained shall affect any case amounting to perjury at the common law or the case of any offence in respect of which other provision is made by any Act.
The short of it is: although you can prove what was said was not the truth, can you prove your ex knew it was not the truth at the time she sworn or affirmed the statement she claimed was the truth.
Does your ex have a diagnosed mental disorder like Paranoid Personality Disorder that causes her to believe what she has done or you could have done has been done; therefore to her, or in her mind, she was telling the truth even though she did what she claims you did.
Please take solace/comfort in the fact you know you did not do what your ex claimed you did do.
Regarding “the mother listed as vexatious in the Supreme Court” would require the mother to file in the Supreme Court. As I understand it, and action or determination of frivolous or vexatious is made at the hearing of an application you are about to or have proven was brought “without Just Cause”.
I believe for a vexatious finding, other no result applications must be citied at the application for a vexatious application.
While a Frivolous finding only requires a finding at that hearing of he matter immediately before the Court of “No Just Cause”.
That is by, no evidence in support of the application but evidence that defeats the action sort by the Frivolous party.
Enough I think for now,
Hope you have a good day,
Ian Mack.
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Andrew Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 11:39 am
Hi Ian
Thanks again for your effort. I am in QLD and I have been advised when approaching the QLD police with evidence of the mothers blatant perjury that as the DVO matter is a Civil matter there is no possibility of perjury charges being brought against the mother regardless of the clearly documentation blatant lying under oath in DVO Affidavit and on the stand at DVO hearing.
Re the Supreme Court application, I have to make the application and if I am not successful costs can be awarded against me. I am currently in the correct criteria to make an Application for the mother to be listed as Vexatious. The mother always attends Court with a Barrister. From what I have been advised there is a possibility of getting the mother listed as Vexatious. I have to be sure I closely fit the correct criteria and there is next to no chance of not being successful as I can not afford to gamble.
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Ian Mack Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 11:55 pm
P.S.
Qld may be different, they may have 2 different divisions of Investigation for each: being State and Cth (Commonwealth).
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Andrew, We sympathise with you whilst telling you that you’re not alone.
My, then 10 yo, daughter threatened to cut her wrists after her mother, an allied health professional, lied about me and refused paternal contact AND then blamed our daughter’s self-harm on me.
I would love to expose (sue) the children’s G.P. (also the mother’s fmr G.P.) for not being more inquisitive…but under the law he only has to notify a C.P.S. (DHS)
Further, every father HAS to answer ANY (especially false) DVO applications or you are just a lamb for the slaughter…I faced three using the duty solicitor in directions hearings and then self represented and won every time..the last only took the magistrate 7 minutes to throw out.
I had the ex’s $5000/day barrister trying to rile me whilst yelling at me that I was, “an angry man”. What father would not be (at least quietly ) angry after being falsely accused of touching his daughter’s budding breasts?
Whilst having dinner with my daughters I had the Sgt. from my ex’s town deliver a civil summons to me with sincere appologies to me… for carrying out his duty..(the ex’s father was a Snr. Sgt. and she frequently used ‘the family’ to get at me..ie child protection squad, prosecutions dept, spurious police child welfare checks).
My daughters are only ever going to see me CALMLY deal with any problems that arise. As parents, all of our behaviours and responses are modelling tools that our children will adopt OR discard…NEVER give up on your children, including you Andrew.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Well put Zac and tooooo or so true.
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Andrew Reply:
May 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Hello Zac
It is good you have had the strength to get on top of the abuse and horror you have been subjected to.
It is clear there is very little decency in the system, you need to make them all aware that they are accountable. Record absolutely everything on a digital recorder and archive it some where safe.
Re the abuse by the police relative contact the CMC with out delay and document every incident.
From what you have said re your daughter it is highly likely that in 4 years your ex will be standing in Court coming to terms with the fact that at 14 it is not likely that the Court will force your daughter to live with her mother. The mothers dishonesty is abuse and when it effects the well being of children it is child abuse.
Best to make life as happy as you can for your daughters as life passes fast.
Best regards and hope for all your happy future.
Andrew
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zac Reply:
June 1st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Andrew, I wrote a 17 page statement to my District Police Supt. 3 years ago showing all of the police involvement by my ex-wife in our Family Law proceedings over 18 months.. The use of SOCAU (Child Protection Squad), Prosecutions Dept. for DVO, I.O Applications and two small town police stations for spurious child welfare checks and waited 7 months for a reply…which was totally unsatisfactory and non apologetic.
To highlight my sincerity I even included a firsthand confession from my, now deceased, policeman father-in-law that he perverted the course of justice at a fatal shooting in Melbourne in the 1960′s. NO mention of this by our District Superintendant and no cold case investigators have knocked on my door to date. He obviously couldn’t give a stuff about a man who was deliberately shot dead in ambush and because of sealed lips the coroner apparently made a finding of ‘death by misadventure.’
As for my older daughter who doesn’t seek me out, has few boundaries and is showered with gifts from her narcisistic and perjurous mother, I believe that she is inadvertently staying with her mother to try to fix her mother..
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The fact that men are actively discriminated against in the Australian Magistrates Court often at the cost of the children has worsened over the years. It is a myth that things are better than they used to be in this regard. The main reason for this ongoing and potentially worsening injustice and increasing abuse and suffering of the children in Australia is that Australian men are unable or unwilling to efficiently band to collectively fight injustice and discrimination for their children’s sake.
My kids have suffered much at the hand of the Australian judicial system. The mother has a CPIU record for dumping them at the age of 2 and 5 at a shopping centre car park, they walked across 4 lane 80KM an hour road and ended up being taken in by a kind lady that CPIU claimed was known to them and mentally ill. CPIU recorded from an independent witness that the children were in the house for 20 minutes before the mothers car was sighted in the street. CPIU refered the matter to DOCS and they did not even bother to ring the mother!
At the time the mother had phoned me and said she didn’t want them, come and get them, I asked her to get the kids back in the car as I was half an hour a way, and then I resorted to “you had better find them or DOCS will be involved” Her exact response was “One more time want make any difference”. She was not wrong I have grown to understand her point.
The mother has a police record for leaving the 2 year old alone in the locked car at an open shopping centre car park at Logan with the windows up for 20 minutes.
An independent witness has sighted and reported the mother for slapping the then 6 year old in the face before he ran off through bushland at night. At least 12 people including the fire brigade were involved in the search that lasted over an hour after and located him 4km away terrified in the dark with prickles in his feet..
DOCS wrote risk of future harm from neglect by the mother for each of the children after half the street was in her house due to the then 6 year old standing out on the lawn screaming with the then one year old whom he was babysitting at night when the mother was out.
There are recent police records of multiple police attendance at the mothers new residence due to the baby screaming for hours at night.
I have a clean record but the mother has a heavily documented record of child abuse, yet amazingly not one criminal prosecution for her activities. Any bloke would be in jail for such abuse.
Due you think the Federal Magistrates Court Could intervene to assist the children in nearly one year although they have copies of police transcripts, not a chance!, It is against their ethos to put the well being of the children above the mother, even in a shared care scenario such as ours.
My son has been moved through 4 schools by the start of year two and although 3 of these moves have contravened current Federal Magistrates Court Orders as I have not agreed in writing. Do you think the Federal Magistrates Court could even be bothered to hear the Contravention application I have lodged against the mother?,No rush there!
In recent years I have fought off 4 fake DVOS all based totally on unsubstantiated false allegations with no evidence what so ever from the mother and plenty of evidence to the contrary. All fake DVOS were manipulated by the mother in attempts to alienate the children from the father. It was only through the Federal Magistrates Court that I gained shared care. On the last fake DVO trial the matter was dismissed before I even got to the stand. The mother lied blatantly under oath in Affidavit and on the stand in the Court yet as usual no cost were awarded to me and no one said sorry. In Australia you can be convicted on the word of just one person with no other evidence. It is the antiquated extremely biased and unjust judicial system that needs serious revision. The message to women is clear there is absolutely no recourse or penalty against women caught lying blatantly in the Australian Federal Magistrates Court or on DVO matters in State Magistrates Courts.
I suggest group action against the State and the Federal Government. Mass complaint to the European Court of Human Rights Strasburg France and the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). International Human Rights can and should protect us and our children in Australia, yet the Australian Government does not ratify these human rights in its Domestic Policy and it even actively breaches human rights specified by both these International Authorities in its Australian Domestic Policy.
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Howard Beale Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 12:59 am
We need our own Bill of Rights. Then we can sue family court judges for malpractice. Such accountability might bring about real reform or at least stop legislative intent being vetoed from the bench. I am not sure a European Court 10K miles away without any jurisdiction here can help.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Howard,
A “Bill of Rights” will not help while the Judiciary are immune from prosecution by the Common Law and the Dishonourable AG’s contempt for justice.
Prosecution of a Justice by you or I would be a civil matter that the Judiciary are Immune from to protect their impartiality.
They are not immune from criminal prosecution other than the Dishonourable Mr McClelland AG, will not allow a Judicial Officer to be prosecuted because that will cause s72(ii) of the Constitution Misbehaviour to be proven and the Governor-General the right to remove that Judges title after Parliament pray for its removal.
Hence we need all the people, we know and don’t know, to bomb bard Parliament with petitions for a Royal Commission of Inquiry into judicial accountability and those who have obstructed requests for investigations into judicial misbehaviours, therefore obstructed judicial “Proven Misbehaviour” in contempt of the Constitution like the Dishonourable AG.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Andrew,
You need to put your evidence together and file charges with the police. They will not do, and don’t need to do anything unless a charge is sought to be filed by you.
You are talking 2 jurisdictions here: the Magistrates Court for the DVO’s is State Law while the Federal Magistrate is Commonwealth Law.
The DVO’s family law is State Police while the Federal Magistrate is Commonwealth Family Law which comes under the Federal Police.
They both will require you to do all their work in providing or identifying the physical evidence, but they will prosecute if you can prove to them, and not just you or friends on hearsay, the mother has do criminal wrongs (offenses).
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 10:58 am
P.S.
Get a card or name and badge number of any police officer you talk to or give your evidence to.
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Andrew Reply:
May 30th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Thank you for your assistance Howard and Ian. A “Bill of Rights” and badgering the Parliament do seem like positive, potentially helpful ideas. Great. How to co ordinate such activity?
Re Police assistance I went into the Redlands Police station with plenty of evidence as the mother lies blatantly and even contradicts herself in her Affidavits. I also have written 3rd party evidence contradicting her lies from non involved and unknown business ie the mothers child care centre who gave a true version of events. The police must have parked outside my house some 10 times over 4 fake DVO they also appear tired of the seemingly endless fake DVO delivery process. The police advised that the DVO are a Civil matter and perjury charges can not be brought against the mother regardless of her documented calculated repetitive and blatant lying. As expressed there is definately no legal recourse against women that lie blatantly in a calculated manner in repetitive DVO Application or at DVO hearing in a State Magistrates Court in Australia.
If the money was there it might be possible to sue the mother in a Civil action. This I have been advised might be a particularly expensive process at the end of which there may be no money to recover from the mother. My children will not benefit from a depletion of money in either house hold and this is not an option for me. I have conducted preliminary investigation into having the mother listed as vexatious in the Supreme Court but with no legal training it is something I need the time to research thoroughly and prepare.
As for the lack of prosecution for the mothers ongoing child abuse, I have twice formally approached the CMC. The result of this is that I have had an interview with the officer or sergeants direct superior and they probably do try to improve the process but my experience has been that they also support their subordinates. There seams to be the attitude that “women are emotional” and this seems to be used to reduce their accountability.
How does criticising the opposite gender achieve that?
… and merely an excuse to pour scorn on the opposite gender.?.
hmm imteresting… from everything I have read here, to me someone is throwing stones in a glass house. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how incorrect I am?
call me synical, but I think deep down, you wish Mick Fox had reacted the same way Kyla’s father did this week, so you could add him to your killer dad statistics. I cried at the outcome of that tragedy, and if it was preventable, it isnt in legislation or gender wars that the solution lays, and you would be ignorant to think so.
it certainly wont be acheived by further negating the rghts of many good fathers in legislating how bad some are, whilst ignoring that some mums are just as bad, all that will do is worsten the problem. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
at least here, the debate is open, you and I can respond, unlike the Safer Family Law Debate site that deletes anything contrary to what appears to be simply an anti father debate.
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Bring on the hate you that are using here to try dismantle this process, give it to me, I’m ready for it, challenge me with all you have, because I am here for my daughters, and they are more than gold to me, more precious than you the system or your attacks and you will not be able to defend my love for my daughters
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 1:24 am
Niether you two have the guts or the bravery to stand up properly for kids, you are here for your own agenda, you dont put your own life in the public eye you protect it so it cant be scrutinised, at the same time you belittle and condemn and you are weak and I can see through you like glass, because the kids are whats important, I am not, nor is what ive done or not done important, nor is what you have achieved or not achieved, the kids are the issue, and reflect back on how much I have posted on how much the kids matter verse you………………………. now go away, reflect
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 1:57 am
Comon you two, bring it on !!!!!!!!!!! let me have it, I’m asking you to bring on your arguments debates, or forever hold your peace, you have your chance now, or leave this site……… nah, you’ll wait till things filter off and try again you dont have the courage to challenge me, or admit you’ll leave
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I’m not here for character assassination, maybe I mistook you for someone who cared Rags, Hey Rags, take me on bag me out , cause while you are doing it to me, I’m stopping you from hurting or bagging out others, bring it baby, i’m here, let me have it ! ehehehehe, oh it’s rebaliszah language, sorry, kinda a bit like you do ehehehehe, nah shouldnt get caught up in your crap, look , kids first, use your energy on me, i can take it !
By the way, you still dont answer why you dont put mother stats there, you do put father stats, not mother stats, did you forget that ?
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Millions of people, look up to me
I’m the rebellion crusher
so-called creator of peace
Luxury is mine, and if I so please
I can also share it
no matter the need
I solve life’s biggest worries, I help search the sky’s
when people are in trouble, I help save their lives
When folk get enough of me
tears fill their eye’s
They say I am worth the effort and time
‘those who work hard and smart
claim they are mine
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As I am feeding on life itself
Wealth be plenty, for those doing well
and some doing worse
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It isn’t a great world, that I create
look all arou nd you, it’s not hard to see
that what you seek, isn’t in Me
I wrote that poem many years ago, it’s called fasle prophet
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got me buggered why Ian has his posts moderated, I’ll try a language algebra, mind you algebra wasnt a thing i did at school, ok, democracy (free speech) x media – money = governement
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Howard, you seem to think that being a feminist is illegal or something. It’s not like being a known terrorist, mate. Feminism is a respected field of academia still taught in all universities, not to be reduced to some ignorance-related stereotype. There is no such thing as a “Known feminist” and you sound like an hysterical hillbilly when you use such a term.
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Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 4:06 am
Stand up for womens right, I’m all for it, make women be respected properly, but uhhh this is about the kids isnt it ?
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Howard Beale Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 am
Feeble provocation based on misquote – clearly the ideological feminists are worried by the raised public awareness of their proposed family law amendments.
Hence send in the clowns. We have one paid by the government to stay at home to read newspapers for us, another masquerading as “reasonable” misrepresenting caselaw made before the shared parental responsibility amendments were enacted as proof that those amendments should be repealed (while abusing us for being stupid) and another pretending to be a schizophrenic man using another identity to agree with himself.
Let’s be clear. I would hate to think that my young daughter would be denied equal rights, equal opportunity, equal pay or be disadvantaged in any other way because of gender. However this is not about that. I refer to ideological feminists – the radicals and extremists who advocate anti-Life, anti-family, anti-child rampages telling women they’re victims and worthless unless they masquerade as ersatz men. They do not want equal they want more rights.
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2005/oct05/psroct05.html
“Time to Defund Feminist Pork — the Hate-Men Law”
The reality is that proposed family violence bill has nothing to do with protecting children. It is a reward for the ideological left, in particular radical feminists, for the Gillard re-election and ensures that the 10bn/yr divorce-family violence industry remains rich and powerful to fund the next election while the Gillard government promotes itself as champions of motherhood and family.
In effect it is the VAWA (Violence Against Women’s Act) implemented in the USA – one of the most hated and damaging pieces of legislation ever enacted that has left 40% of American children fatherless, criminalized millions of Fathers, cost billions of dollars in welfare and ripped the social fabric asunder.
More disturbingly, by destabilising families with incentives to separate and by encouraging false allegations for advantage in custody litigation, thereby prolonging and inflaming litigation, the proposed amendments will likely contribute to and exacerbate the problems of family violence and child abuse it purports to redress.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
So who is Germaine Greer?
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Roger Reply:
May 21st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
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The 1980′s were my high school years, my teenage years, and since the mid-1970′s I played in every season of footy up untill the end of 1988, aged 20. I think maybe as a result of my upbringing, I also had a lot of respect for women, young and old, at that stage in life. The 1980′s was also a time when there was a lot campaigning for women to have equal rights and equal oppurtunity as men did. It was constantly brought to my attention one way or another and my thoughts were “fair enough”.
Today, aged 43, my repect for women has evaporated. Of what I could only assume to be the actions of a group of radical minorities, women seem to think they are perfect human beings – above the law law so to speak. The equality “weight scale” between men and women has a serious imbalance, and because of those radical minorities, I practically see every woman I don’t know well, young and old, as a man hating feminist.
A common saying in football – when I was a kid – was “if you give the opposition an inch, they’ll take a mile”. I’m thinking the same has happened here with the liberation of women over the past thirty years. The more equality that women have been given the more they’ll want, and take – to point where “today” the Australian family court system heavily discriminates against fathers.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 21st, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Like the admin said, the stats prove there is more family violence in the homes of lesbians than any other home in Australia.
Why is that?
Is it because you have 2 violent women in the 1 home, rather than 1?
Therefore no man to lay false blame on, only 1 woman or the other woman can be blamed for the violence. No man there to blame, so the truth is allowed to be known “IT WAS THE WOMAN WHO WAS VIOLENT” therefore their scratches were from their attacks and cannot be falsely claimed by a judge as defensive scratches.
Rodger I agree men and boys have or are losing their respect for
woman because the more you give them the more they demand after abusing that that was given,
If you go back through time you will note woman have always had the greatest power in most homes because of what is called “the POWER of the PUSSY”.
Hence you find more and more men are giving up on the Pussy Cat or at least a Pussy in their home because they are so violent and demanding with little truth or favour being returned so we also have a groth in the Gay scene.
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Roger Reply:
May 21st, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Hear, hear
I also forgot to mention at the end of my comment above is that as a result of the Australian family court system discriminating against fathers, the children of seperated parents have suffered immensely.
I look at it in an overall perspective. As the equality and liberation for women has improved over the last thirty years, the welfare and welbeing of children has declined. It is for that reason I have little or no respect for women.
zac Reply:
May 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Several years ago I heard a ‘domestic’ two doors down from my home at about sunset. I heard a woman crying and arguing and heard the whack of a fist on face, from 30 metres away. A minute later the victim turned up at my door and asked me to call the police as she had returned to her ‘former’ partner’s home to pick up her belongings and was being denied access to her things…She was shaken, bloodied and sore and had obviously been assaulted and wasn’t denying that.
With all this evidence the police made no arrest and did not lay a charge. Why? Because the violent ex- partner who had done obvious physical harm to the face of a beautiful young woman- was herself A WOMAN…Let’s annul gender issues from blatant violence boys and girls.
Craig Reply:
May 22nd, 2011 at 5:27 am
Just listened on the ABC to a Woman, who advocates Feminism, not once did she mention anuything positive about men, it was anti male and pro womens rights and definately a weak argument, (hopefully I heard the whole speech) but my point is here, as Fathers having wrong done by us, we do not put down Women, we don’t belittle them we provide stats and tell folks we are not anti women, I am married to the most thoughtful caring woman I could have hoped for, I have 3 Daughters genetically speaking who are growing into wonderful women, I have 3 step Daughters who are also wonderful, why is it the Feminists and Mclellands and such cannot admit there are good caring Fathers? I know the answer, I just want the thought out there………
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Well said Patrickb!!! I totally agree
re Dave Aldridge and his experience with the mother of his child IF indeed she was neglectful, is in a very small minority of mothers…It is also well documented and researched that it is mostly men,fathers who murder their ex spouses and children…and really Dave we only have your word for it dont we? We could all write such stories on this forum..I know of children being terribly neglected and abused by their neglectful alcoholic father,or by their abusive stepmother ..I know of a child whose father “makes ” her wear white underpants when she has period ,shes only 13, why ??? To humiliate her? Psychologically abuse her?? Perhaps Daves daughter with all her accolades in psychology can enlighten us!
When are you lot going to stop making excuses for the behaviour of violent psychopathic men? No one “drove” them to it..there is no excuse for murder ..there is definetely no excuse for infanticide and filicide ,these men are monsters who are a slur and cast shadow upon a whole gender ..This is NOT about gender..it is about the safety of children!! Regardless ,whether a parent is male or female if a child is at risk of violence in the vicinity of that parent then that parent should have no contact…It is not the fault of women ,mothers or children that the majority of perpetrators of violence and murderers of their own children are male…The guy on the Harbour Bridge is a psycho and within 24 hours of him pulling that stunt a father murdered his child,left another orphaned,murdered the mother and her partner..dont you all think that there is a link here?? Dont you all think that the ridiculous amount of public support the Harbour Bridge nut received after his stunt may have affected the man involved in the last tragedy? may have unhinged him????
Are you men sane??? I find it unbelievable that many of you seem to condone the murder of infants !!!! and even the murder of fellow human beings! That you appear to justify these murders,these horrible inhuman acts of violence…
re Ash…:.Ash there is no such thing as parental alienation do you really believe children don’t think? Dont process ? Dont notice and know for themselves ? What will you do when they are 18 and they still don’t want anything to do with the father. ? Do you think that by forcing them to live in 2 homes at best denying them continuity , peer participation , kids parties , forcing them away from their natural carer their mother is going to make them love you ? Make them respect you no I think that parental alienation of a child by the other parent is totally bogus . In fact your own behavior alienates your own children from you not their mothers . Take it from someone whose been there,
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Well Edward i would like you to show me where anyone on here has actually CONDONED the murder of infants. Go on do it. You made that statement. Put up or shut up. Statistics show that it is mothers who are murdering their children at double the rate of BIOLOGICAL fathers. A gov’t survey carried out in WA a few years ago showed that mothers accounted for 94% of child neglect not the VERY FEW mothers you mention. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why other state gov’ts have refused to release figures, i believe even under foi requests, and how it can be that the gov’t in my state of SA was actually caught out red handed fudging the figures on DV. You can believe my story or not, at least my daughter knows it’s true and the difference i made to her life. Don’t really give a rats arse what you think.
No such thing as parental alienation. Geez mate you really are off the planet. Parental alienation is alive and well on our planet and while much of it is carried out by mothers, fathers are equally capable of doing it. And actually i am one who DOES NOT advocate automatic shared parenting. It certainly would not have helped my own daughter, her mother had already done a first class job of ruining her life in the 3 years SHE had sole custody.
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
I’m still waiting Edward Sage.
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Ragnvald
I am not raging against all and sundry. In fact I am not raging at all. In my view it is important to point out that Adele Horin is a well known ideological feminist pushing a political agenda. Her articles are inevitably scaremongering, emotive, victim pieces and in this instance politicize the tragedy of child death. This intentional hysteria is supported by experts who have already sold their creditability and whom no-one else will interview. Has anyone else noticed that only female researchers are asked – repeatedly – Laing, McIntosh, Johnson, …
I don’t have to refute what Adele Horin has to say. The facts speak for themselves. Children without the protection of Fathers are far more likely to die, commit crime, suffer mental health problem, become drug addicts, alcoholics, suicide, and fail in their own relationships thereby perpetuating the cycle. Further there is the little publicised fact that 80% of substantiated child abuse occurs in single mother homes. Fathers are protectors not perpetrators.
You and Ms Horin can hold up pictures of dead children and cry wolf all you want but the fact remains that these are isolated, extreme cases likely involving significant mental health problems. The vast majority of children are better off having meaningful relationships with their Fathers substantiated by twenty years of peer-reviewed independent research – not the internet dredge Lindal is trying to drown us with.
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Everything depends on what level of proof you have that a certain person committed the acts you are talking about. It is easy to prove you have been poisoned or have high levels of some chemical you should not have high levels of. The hard part is proving how you were caused to have such a high level of that chemical and who had provable opportunity to cause you to have such a high level of that chemical.
Remember this is criminal law you are talking not family law, until you can prove beyond doubt who caused you to have such high levels of a drug or chemical in your system you cannot even prove criminal character of a person or who had intent to cause you harm, hence the police can do nothing.
Your say so, like your suspicions, is not enough at criminal law; you need independent witnesses who can admit they saw and/or heard these things happening.
Regarding your letter, it depends on what it proves and if it can be proven who wrote the letter or instructions other than by your say so other than it can be a staring point.
Regarding the Courts Orders: are you any good to the children if you are jail/gaol?
If you cannot prove the mother is an immediate danger to the health and safety of the children then you are the 1 who will be punished by denial of any time with them if only to protect the Courts belief the mother is the best person for the children to live with.
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Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 5:04 am
I remember someone saying on this site that they got bugged, I was stalked etc, can’t prove I was bugged, but recently I started a twitter account, second person to follow me was/is Kevin Rudd, i have also had many other life experiences, I recently got contacted by an old school mate, he’s travelled the world playing drums for , well look up Chris Bien, I have chased outlaw bikies away from where i was one day (wont go into it) I touch base with someone who’s done time on the west bank ( for those that know what that means) I have I have been a bikie a surfie a truckie, bus driver taxi driver nurse, ive been on a emrgency team , ive been a funeral director a retail guy. ive saved lives and been commemorate by police, but I still have nothing on Mick Fox
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Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 5:10 am
some typos there, Chris Brien…… emergency……….commendated
and if you get a chance look up Monique Havenaar on youtube, she’s my genetic eldest, sound quality isnt great but you wont be dissapointed, Ada from Home and away (no I’m not a fan of the show) was not dissapointed.
I have sent an outlaw bikie to gaol with the blessing of the club (try getting away with that ehehehe)
oh damn I should write a book, but hey, it’s about the kids !
check Monique out, please
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My ex wife has one of the largest child protection files in victoria, over 3000 pages and comes in archive box full, and that is just on our two kids, not her other child who has large file as well
yet in the family courts she is treated as equal or better parent to me
australia sucks,
in courts you cannot lie, and must be prosecuted for perjury
this is constitutional matter
if gillard govt interfere in the runnings of the courts, they are in contempt of the australian constitution.
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I don’t understand how these arguments regarding fathers not being awarded their rights to custody and contact with their children and the suggested `false’ allegations of abuse, are being forward. Fathers who are convicted paedophiles, and child sex abusers, drug addicts (at least one with HIV/AIDS), histories of violence etc etc have been awarded custody and contact with their children. So how `bad’ does a father have to be to be denied such custody/contact with his children, as is his seemingly inalienable right under the Shared Parenting law.?.
Chief Justice Bryant has said the Family Courts do not have the powers, expertise, nor resources to investigate allegations of domestic violence and child abuse. Such allegations cannot therefore be proven to a Family Court. How does that make them `false’ when they have not been investigated.?. Please explain.
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Plenty of mothers convicted of similar crimes are also awarded custody, in fact many times more often than fathers considering that in almost 90% of cases it is the mother who gets custody. Your statement is a load of crap. The court in its wisdom forced my daughter to live in a home where she was abused and neglected for 3 YEARS despite a mountain of evidence of such.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Ragnvald,
To attempt to answer your first question briefly:
Fathers who have solicitors can cause child contact to occur because they have paid $’s for it and not all judges need to be dealt with for misbehaviours at the bench.
There are a few judicial officers who take exception to Self Represented Litigant (SRL’s) (fathers) who are bringing forward these issues.
The Shared Parenting Laws, in fact, are caused to be set aside when family violence issues are raised in the Court and I would suggest those family violence issues are citing both parents when convicted wrongful behaviours are evidenced in the Court.
On the other hand, not all mothers are abusive of their power in the Courts regarding the right of the child to spend time with the other parent, these mothers know how to share and know it is the children rights that must prevail over their wants and fears.
Regarding your question of: “how bad does a father have to be”?
I was extremely BAD, never abused our children but I citied the mother for Contempt of Court and false allegations and false statements in the Court. Yes I was BAD.
I was so bad for presenting this evidence I was prevented from have any information about and/or spending any time with our 2 children until our son could get away from his mother (about 7 yrs of no contact).
The Courts joke on our children was the physical photographic evidence and admission by the mother of causing a serious rope burn mark around our sons throat when he was about 8 yrs old.
This evidence cost me a loss of our interim time then Final Orders time with our children because they had also voiced to others the abuse being perpetrated on them by their mother, much in the same way it occurred in this following matter: http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2011/01/04/mother-wins-custody-battle-after-terrifying-children-about-father/
It depends on the judge you have and whether they take offence to the citing of a mother for her wrongful child abuse or not.
Regarding your “How does that make them `false’ when they have not been investigated.?. Please explain.”
Maybe you are new to family law or looking to find out how to make false allegations in the family Court,
I don’t know but the rule is: the mother will make a false allegation to police the father did a wrong or she is in fear of the father doing a wrong so the police seek or a Magistrate makes an Interim (AVO) Family Violence Order that is not investigated. Then the mother uses that in the Family Court as evidence of the fathers family violence.
It is almost impossible for a father to obtain 1 of these Orders, I have been present when a Magistrate threatened police with a costs order for seek an Order on behalf of a father.
The police had the physical evidence that supported the making of the AVO and if the father had been the mother then that Order would have been made and the father threatened with jail.
Often when these Interim Orders go to their first hearing they are made due to solicitors badgering fathers into accepting these Orders by wrongly claiming the Order will be made despite there being no cause, evidence or fact to warrant the order being made, and that is all the dishonourable judge or FM requires to claim there is evidence of family violence.
In a matter I am a friend in the judge, in effect, overturned the finding of the State Magistrate and in conflict with the evidence, to claim family violence had been committed by a SRL father.
This judge also dismissed Contravention Applications, citing the mother, without a hearing because these applications were reliant on police evidence that judge had refused a right of presentation in her dishonourable Court.
That is, some of the judiciary of family law Courts don’t need evidence or will obstruct evidence that proves a father innocent or the mother is making false allegations.
The dishonourable Bryant has also said to a Senate hearing that most judges know when the mother is not telling the truth.
So why do they let them get away with it, arguably because that creates wealth for the law industry they are the heads of.
It also creates more work for them so they can claim a need for more judiciary to handle the increased work load, hence we now have a Federal Magistrates Court and how many FM’s?
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Craig Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
oh they get investigated alright, Family report officers check DOCS records Police records etc
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Craig Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
and even when they have to highlight a parents concerns by admitting that parent is telling the truth, apparently, that still isnt enough
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Admin,
Thanks for your qualification on this site that judges act in breach of the law and their “Oath of Office” thereby your indirect admission judges need to be made accountable for their abuses of power to protect woman.
That is, you are admitting judges act in breach of s43 of the Crimes Act 1914, attempt to pervert justice (by: “obstruct, to prevent, to pervert or to defeat the course of justice in relation to a judicial power”) ; that is, a Commonwealth judicial power created by s117AB of the Act.
Furthermore to I, you are saying judges wilfully act in breach of Chapter 7 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code 1975, namely s142.2 by “Abuse of public office”.
Yes, I know what you mean regarding s117AB costs are often against the father in defiance of the evidence that it was the mother not the father who KNOWINGLY made the false allegations and/or statements.
I am a friend to a matter where a judge “abused his public office”, “to cause a father a detriment”, by claiming, in defiance of s117AB and s117(2A)(g) of the Act, a costs application is limited to the evidence within the “Reasons for Judgement” of the matter costs are being sought in.
That is, this judge claimed the evidence of; the orders were other than safe due to judicial misbehaviour within the meaning of s22 of the Act and s72(ii) of the Constitution, that judges misbehaviours, was not relevant to the costs hearing.
They had been made relevant by the father seeking a question be presented to a Higher Court like the Appeals Court, naming Bryant CJ as the Superior Justice of the Family and Appeals Courts to answer the question, that the Orders, that were the subject of the Costs Hearing, “should be quashed”, that is a s34 of the Act Writ be made by Bryant CJ.
Evidence was sought to be presented at the Costs Hearing: of that Final Hearing judges misbehaviours of preventing Police from giving evidence of the mother’s attempts to fabricate evidence of family violence and fabricated photograph evidence presented to the Court.
The mother admitted, from the witness box, she had caused the damage to postal items which were the subjects of her photos presented.
Due to Police evidence was denied by the Final Hearing judge, being the fact the mother had engaged an item that had not been posted and that unrelated item had been presented to the Police as an item that had been damaged in breach of an Interim AVO (thrown out of Court at its first hearing) the mother later admitted had been damaged by her.
The Final Hearing judge, in breach of her duty to the Court and the proper administration of justice, by “abuse of power”, “perverted justice” to provide the mother with protection from prosecution of her unlawful misbehaviours and cause the father a “detriment” of claiming the father was the dishonest party (in the “Reasons for Judgement”) to cause the child to live with the mother after evidence by a child psychologist and the mother was presented to this judge the mothers eldest child had been cause to be removed from the mothers home due to his family violence in the mothers home, the judge and mother had repeatedly claimed was not occurring in the mothers home.
This judge in her “Reasons for Judgement” even claimed she believed the removal of the eldest child, due to the violence between the mother and that child, was extreme.
But when you consider what the youngest child has said to me, he is happier and the uncle has not had to fix any more holes in our walls since the eldest child left home. Something the judge and mother have repeatedly claimed was a false allegation of the fathers, being the eldest son has punched holes in the walls of the mothers home that the uncle has repaired. Supports in my mind judges need to be prosecuted for their abuse of power to pervert justice or justice will be a thing of the past in our Courts, if it is not already
From the brief outline of 1 matter I am intermit with, can you see why I am so determined to cause law to be created NOW, not in 10 yrs time, for a “Judicial Misbehaviour and Incapacity Committee” that accepts complaints from the public regarding judicial misbehaviour and the like.
Regarding what you said: “You will find an overwhelming reluctance by most Judges to impose any type of penalty against child abuse matters, regardless of how obvious the deception has been.”
I say: While there is no way these judges misbehaviours can be looked into by an independent (like Privy Counsel) Committee, they will continue their misbehaviours of administering their judicial power in defiance of the Laws of the Parliament which has been aided and abetted by the AG.
The AG is making false claims to Parliament, prays to Parliament have been for the removal of a judge in CONTEMPT of the prays seeking a Parliamentary Inquiry into this and other judges misbehaviours.
A pray was sent to the Honourable Speaker for a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the misbehaviours of judges and the AG by the prevention of Inquiries into judicial misbehaviour.
Those prays, have been wrongly handed to the AG for a response in Parliament that is due about 10 am on the 23/5/11 or 30/5/11.
Why it is wrongful the AG respond to these prays for a Royal Commission of Inquiry is the AG is a party the Inquiry would be investigating regarding his concealment of judicial misbehaviours and denial of Parliamentary Inquiry into judicial misbehaviours presented to him.
In short, until judges can be properly made accountable for their breaches of power and breaches at Law, a percentage of justice in the Family Court is a joke on the safety and welfare of our children and their fathers.
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Craig Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
My new Wife and I received a letter from the post office, with an appology about the damaged letter inside. The letter inside was addressed to us and clearly a wedding present. The contents were removed and the senders details removed. The post office said it was a machine malfunction that caused the “damamge”
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Lilywhite Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
You Have a wife? I Am amazed. Are you sure?
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 1:12 am
eheheheee I have a life, why don’t you people that try to dimantle your safety net go to your own sites, me personally have been bashed by women, abused by them in all aspects, you just dont accept the fact we are willing to tell the world, there are many women who are willing and know and witness the abuse to men and kids by women
Craig Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
So Ian, do I take my letter as evidence to the Police, along with the stalking, the vexatious behaviour, the abuse to myself and my new wife, do I take the information passed onto PIC about why Police did nothing when I had suspicions I was being poisoned and I had high levels of cadmuim in my system, and there is someone else that also has some evidence to that effect. Do I raise the issue of , soooooooooooooo many other things that affected us, it could not be coincidental, or do I shut up, and just hope the Judge gives up on forcing the kids onto their Mother or do I break current orders only to face gaoltime for doing it ?
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Craig Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
cadmium*
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 1:37 am
Everything depends on what level of proof you have that a certain person committed the acts you are talking about. It is easy to prove you have been poisoned or have high levels of some chemical you should not have high levels of. The hard part is proving how you were caused to have such a high level of that chemical and who had provable opportunity to cause you to have such a high level of that chemical.
Remember this is criminal law you are talking not family law, until you can prove beyond doubt who caused you to have such high levels of a drug or chemical in your system you cannot even prove criminal character of a person or who had intent to cause you harm, hence the police can do nothing.
Your say so, like your suspicions, is not enough at criminal law; you need independent witnesses who can admit they saw and/or heard these things happening.
Regarding your letter, it depends on what it proves and if it can be proven who wrote the letter or instructions other than by your say so other than it can be a staring point.
Regarding the Courts Orders: are you any good to the children if you are jail/gaol?
If you cannot prove the mother is an immediate danger to the health and safety of the children then you are the 1 who will be punished by denial of any time with them if only to protect the Courts belief the mother is the best person for the children to live with.
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Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 3:16 am
So although the vexatious attacks, the false allegations, the children being dragged away by police when we were not informed by them we didn’t have to make them go, the detectives very interested in the poisoning, the other allegations that tied into all of this, the stalking on the internet and on the street (kids witnessed it) the pornography forced on my kids, the fact my ex has a boyfriend who cant and hasnt seen his kids in years , JIRT investigated no charge, I remain, (mind you that’s not all of it) I remain in the hands of a discretionary Judge with threats of gaol if my heart reaches out to my kids who sob and weep about the fear they have and the insecurity they have going back leaving me to their Mothers care, yep, I’m all for Mick Fox, and I will make this public
Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 3:34 am
and these lindals and Rags, are here to undermine us, and I’m here for the kids. I wont let the attacks on me my new Wife and our Children and those that experience the same thing from stopping us from protecting these kids, if they are geniune, they would portray good Fathers not highlight bad Mothers don’t exist or that bad Fathers are worse, they are all the same, by clouding the issue by using their own agenda.
It’s about the kids, why dont they focus on that………….
Well I’m a bankrupt now, so let them deal with that, they can make it a money issue, when are they ever going to focus on the kids, thanks Grill Team, and thanks Mick for making this issue a public one.
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Ian Mack Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
The question I have is how long will it be allowed to be a public issue?
Like the issue of the AG being a dishonest person and making misrepresentations to the Parliament regarding prays for Parliament Inquiries into judicial misbehaviour, like the woman who killed her husband with petrol and a candle, like the children suffering mental disorders due to the abuse of their mothers on them, like the effect on children who have been denied the guidance of the father and so on and so on.
The public mind is short and the issues to distract the minds of the public are many.
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Your statement “a Judge may choose, at their discretion,” is false.
S117AB(2) of the Act “The court must order that party to pay some or all of the costs of another party, or other parties, to the proceedings.”
Note the word MUST, there is no “may” or “at their discretion” it is must.
The problem is proving the “knowingly”, that is about equal to “beyond doubt” while “reasonably knowingly” would be on the grounds of probability.
What most people don’t like or want is that those who do give false testimony should be caused to be prosecuted by the judge but that would make the Family Court an Honourable Court to hear a family law matter.
Bryant CJ has even admitted to a Senate hearing that judges have a good idea when woman are lying to the Court but.
If woman could not lie too or in the Court, how many matters would there be for the Court to hear and Family Law solicitors to prosecute?
Would it be 1% rather than the about 10% of all the matters presented, therefore their numbers reduce, rather than what is happening, they are increasing their work and numbers, are they not?
Let’s make the Family Court an Honourable Court to hear a family law matter, shot all the lawyers I think it was Shakespeare said and cause all, not only fathers, be guilty until they prove they are innocent of any form of family violence and or abuse.
Good on you Mick Fox and I’m sorry you are being punished for what so many of us should be doing to highlight the wrongful misbehaviour of some of the judiciary of the Family Law Courts that include the FM Court.
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admin Reply:
May 17th, 2011 at 3:34 am
Ian,
You will find an overwhelming relucatnce by most Judges to impose any type of penalty against child abuse matters, regardless of how obvious the deception has been.
In fact s117AB has been applied to more men (in property matters) than women in total, because Judges decide not to apply this measure when dealing with child abuse cases.
Take a look at the following article on a case involving false allegations. I think this is probably an exception but it shows just how powerful false allegations still remain in family law as a tool to achieve a desired legal outcome, despite the obvious damage it causes to the children.
http://www.f4e.com.au/blog/2011/01/04/mother-wins-custody-battle-after-terrifying-children-about-father/
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zac Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Exactly admin. And that is why many fathers keep suicide as a alternate option to the blatant misjustice that they face all the time in family law. Another option is to load up the car and drive north or west.
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Ragnvald
The question is not how bad a father has to be to deny contact. To be accused is enough. The two years and $100K it takes to fight the allegation makes innocence irrelevant. The best interest of the child, i.e. stability, then takes precedence.
The “reform” makes family violence impossible to disprove while removing all statutory constraints and penalties for making false allegations. What do you think will happen – more money for the divorce-family violence industry with the taxpayers footing the bill for more welfare, more crime, more drug addition, suicide, depression, child abuse and all the other economic and social evils associated with fatherless children.
I have never seen a Family Court judgement giving custody to Fathers who are convicted paedophiles, and child sex abusers, drug addicts (at least one with HIV/AIDS), …
Perhaps you should heed your own advice to dave aldridge – “perhaps you can give some statistical evidence of the `plenty’ of mothers `convicted’ by Criminal Courts of paedophilia, child sex abuse, etc. Making derogatory comments regarding other people’s opinions are a sign of defective or deficient intelligence to present an argument. Please try to make your arguments rational and logical.” – before making a fool of yourself.
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lindal Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
NICK CLARK | May 12, 2011 12.01am
A TASMANIAN man broke a six-week-old baby’s leg after the baby kicked him in the testicles, the Supreme Court in Launceston heard yesterday.
Kenneth William Blake, 23, and his partner Khristy Maree Fisher, 21, pleaded guilty to a charge of ill-treating their child Michael John Blake between February and March 2009.
Fisher was charged on the basis she failed to get medical treatment for the baby despite knowing he was injured.
Crown prosecutor Kate Brown told the court the baby had suffered a broken left femur, broken ribs and two broken tibias from separate incidents involving Blake.
The baby also suffered a bruise to the left cheek and a haemorrhage to the left eye.
The injuries were discovered when a child health nurse visited the couple’s George Town home. The court heard that the baby and the couple’s other child were under the care of the Department of Health and Human Services.
Fisher’s defence counsel Adrian Hall told the court Fisher was 4 1/2 months pregnant with a third child.
“I can’t speculate what may happen with the unborn child but she hopes she is in a position where she can keep it,” Mr Hall said.
The court also heard that Blake had spent a month in jail in 2009 for starving a dog to death in the yard of his home.
Ms Brown said Blake told police he was too scared to take the baby to a doctor because he was worried it would be said he had done it deliberately.
Blake told police he had been kicked hard in the “family jewels”.
“He kicked me in the nuts about four times,” he said.
Chief Justice Ewan Crawford disputed the claim, saying “a child this age couldn’t possibly hurt him”.
“Little legs bent at the knee couldn’t hurt anybody,” Justice Crawford said.
A disputed facts hearing was conducted yesterday afternoon to establish the exact cause of the injuries and discrepancies between the Crown case and Blake’s guilty plea.
The court heard that Blake and Fisher had been the subject of abuse in George Town.
And it was submitted that Blake had been seriously assaulted by his father when a child.
Mr Hall said Fisher suffered from epilepsy and was totally reliant on Blake.
He said she had been kicked out of home at 15 years of age and had been sexually assaulted on many occasions.
Justice Crawford sought psychiatric reports and remanded both defendants in custody for sentence on August 19.
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2011/05/12/229261_scalesofjustice.html
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Hah Lindal how pathetic, now you are SPAMMING this site with stories of abusive fathers. No doubt your comments will remain here and you will not be banned from this site [although i hope you are]. When i have posted similar stories of MOTHERS abusing and murdering their kids on some of the feminist sites they have thrown a complete childish hissy fit, my posts have been removed and i have been banned from these sites almost without exception. I guess that PROVES which side are able to accept logical argument and which side stifles it and are unable to do so. Tell ya what why don’t you get on some of the feminist sites and post stories of mothers murdering or abusing their kids [there are plenty to choose from as you have seen here] and see how long you last. Of course i bet ya won’t for fear of me being proved right. Old Tom, i hope you are reading all this and seeing morons like lindal and raggyvoid for what they really are.
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Hey Ragnvald, you are niave to think, or perhaps dont want to accept, that some women do sexual abuse on kids, if it’s not the legal system we are fighting, it is peoples ability to accept women can be bad too
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Well Raginvald maybe its a case of monkey see monkey do. I seem to recall any number of womens/feminist groups holding their marches and bringing things to a standstill in our cities in the past [havn't you had a tv or a radio or read a newspaper for the last 20-30 years].. Sad though that he would be driven to do what he did to get some attention, and what a sad indightment on the family law system and the MSM that this was required. I note that you seem to be very selective in what you pick from my posts and completely ignore the main thrust, but that is oh so typical.
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And this coming from some one who has made plenty of derogatory comments about others opinions yourself. Just reading a post above you call Craigs comment, Quote :- absurd and obtuse, unquote. You’re nothing but a bloody hypocrite. BTW i have a friend who was appointed child protection officer [a decent family man with 2 young children of his own ], without giving me details of individual cases he said he had seen dozens of cases of mothers who were druggies and alcoholics, who regularly beat their children and abused and neglected them, and this was only in his own country town/city. He lasted less than a year and left having seen many of his recommendations being overturned by his supervisor, and kids left in abusive homes, WITH THEIR MOTHERS, exactly the same as happened to my own daughter for 3 years. No prizes for guessing the gender of his supervisor. Still i suppose its ok as long as it is the mother who does it hey.
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dave aldridge. Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Hey, for some one who suffers from defective or deficient intelligence i did a pretty good job of taking my daughter from the abused and neglected half feral child in a class for SLOW children, which she was when i gained custody from her mother, to now having almost completed an honours degree at uni and already planning her PHD. WOW imagine what i could have achieved if i wasn’t such a dumbo.
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Here comes the $10M taxpayer funded ideologue feminist counterattack – they must be scared – led by Adele “all men are violent” Horin who is the renowned propaganda queen for a $10bn/yr family law-domestic violence industry.
They clearly have the money and incentive to buy academics in their ivory tower to theorize about our pain. Of course they never bite the hand that feeds. If we go to war to protect our children from fanatical terrorists they proclaim us heroes. If we try to protect our children from family lawyers then we are fanatical (& bankrupt) terrorists.
The facts are that children are more than 3 times more likely to be killed without a father, more than 80% of child abuse occurs in single mother homes.
We cannot allow change to a family law system that harms millions of children to be determined by the mentally ill. One cannot legislate against insanity. The needs of the may outweigh the needs of the few.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Mick-who-climbed-The-Sydney-Harbour-Bridge/224572734222971 for Horin article
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you seem hellbent on denying the fact, and I can tell you it is fact, Women get custody off Fathers by using lies, why is that? you’re suss Rag
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The citation of Briginshaw misses the point. Any allegation of sexual abuse automatically removes all contact with the father for however long it takes for the matter to be determined. The Father never recovers from this stigma and loss of meaningful relationship in the interim.
Further the onus of proof is not required until trial and then sexual abuse does not have to be proven just that there is not unacceptable risk. It will become the preferred custody strategy after the reform excuses false allegations.
Re J & W 1999 FamCA 1002: This was an interim hearing in which the Mother ALLEGED the Father was a paedophile, had incest with his son, sexually abused and raped his 5yo daughter, and would deliberately infect his daughter with AIDS. She later admitted some of her allegations were unfounded. Nevertheless she absconded with child to another state to avoid court ordered supervised contact with the Father. The family report recorded significant risk of psychological harm in the mother’s care and likely that she would re-abscond. Clearly the Court had no option in the interim. I note the matter did not proceed to trial.
In Samuels & Eddington, another interim hearing, the Mother had abandoned the child to the paternal grandparents. They opposed her relocating the child from Hobart to Perth to live with a convicted child pornographer. The Mother’s stated reasons included better weather, feeling more at home there and a belief that is more family friendly.
If seems pointless to waste further time reading your “proofs”, thanks.
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ohhhhh dear, you missed many of my posts, not once can you prove I have ever, ever condonned abuse against children by any gender, you are obviously here to attack us. I am not alone with this thought. I am here to make it known to the world about my experience and in my world, no, in reference to your comment I was overseas, I lived in the Manly district, and caught the ferry. lol. You on the other hand are confusing a Child protection effort for your own agenda, I dont have one, I’m experiencing other peoples agendas, and watching first hand the damamge done to many kids and Fathers, there are also Mothers done wrong by this system by bad men (bad apples in every bunch) but in our country it is well known this system is against Fathers predominately, I have experienced it personally, I have had legal and other people admit it, so I’m not sure what you are on about, I just think you are suss
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Lindal,i wonder if you would also advocate for capital punishment for mothers who kill their kids, especially in view of the fact that mothers are murdering their children at double the rates of biological fathers. Yeah bring it on.
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So the presence or absence of a natural father is of no consequence. When i gained custody of my daughter she was 8 yo. Having spent 3 years alone with her neglecting and abusing MOTHER she was in a parlous state, half feral, underweight and in poor health, unable to do even basic tasks like wash herself or tell the time, unable to do even basic maths not even any of her times tables, unable to read or write even basic words, finishing bottom in her school after doing the year 3 basic skills test and being placed in a SPECIAL class for SLOW children. Fast forward 12 years having been in the sole care of her NATURAL FATHER, She completed 3 years of a psychology degree at university before she was 21 yo, achieved straight distinctions, is doing honours this year and already planning her PHD. In light of this, by making the above statement that the presence or absence of the natural father is of no consequence i thing it is plain for all to see who is suffering from defective intelligence. How i wish you you could meet my daughter, as an intelligent and achieving young woman who is almost now a fully qualified psychologist in her own right, who was abused and neglected by her mother and who experienced first hand the ramifications of the anti father discrimination in our so called family law system which along with her mother almost destroyed her life, she would tear your feeble arguments to shreds and then some.
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lindal Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Man, 21, accused of four-year-old boy’s murder
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A MAN has been charged with murder following the death of a four-year-old boy in New South Wales.
The boy was taken to Warren Hospital, north-west of Dubbo, in an unconscious state on April 1 by his mother and her de facto partner.
Police say he had sustained significant head and internal injuries and died later that day.
Officers investigating the boy’s death arrested a 21-year-old man from the Warren area yesterday. He was charged with murder and refused bail.
He is due before Dubbo Bail Court later today.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/man-21-accused-of-four-year-old-boys-murder/story-e6freuyi-1226051883551
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I would agree with EQUAL punishment for any parent of whichever gender who abuse or murder their children. Unfortunately when a mother kills her child every argument under the sun is put forward as an excuse and they are always taken into account, while when a father does it such excuses are just ignored. Just look at the respective cases of Yeeda Topham who jumped off a tall building with her son killing him [and this after previously attempting to gas herself and her son] and Arthur Freeman who threw his child off the Westgate Bridge. In both cases the child died as a result but while Mr Feeman got a life sentence, Ms Topham only served the 11 months she spent in custody awaiting her sentence and was then set free. WHERE IS THE EQUALITY FOR BOTH GENDERS THERE. Go on check it out and get back to me. If some one gave you an extra brain cell it would still be lonely.
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Guys please remember more woman suffer from mental illness than us men, and it sounds like these 2 or 3 flooding this post with their few examples of serious wrongs by a few men are mentally ill and blinded by their own guilt of the wrongs they have done to their children and or others in or around the Court.
Their words are so like those used by my ex in defence of her wrongs, it is unbelievable.
My ex’s latest abuse of our son was to lie to the mother of his new girlfriend by claiming our son is a drug dealer, thief, pimp and his last girlfriend was a prostitute (none of it is true and his girlfriends mother know knows our sons mother is just another abusive controlling dishonest mother).
The harm these woman do to control our children raises the question of should all mothers be removed from the lives of all children after the children have reached an age of 5 to 7 years?
Remember that woman from Geelong VIC who killed 3 of her 4 infants. The Courts refused to prosecute her for infanticide, and Family Court returned her 4th child, is that child still alive or just another child killed by a mother the public are not allowed to know about.
A few years ago the police made the news reporters correct 1 of their many misreporting of a murder suicide.
It was misreported, as usual, that a father committed the murder suicide when it was the mother who had shot the father then the children and then herself.
I believe the police were reprimanded for causing this correction because it went against what the family court wanted the public to know, WOMAN do, more often than we the public are allowed to know, commit serious child abuse, infanticide, and murder.
What about the woman who cut off the man’s penis (probably a matter that’s a bit old for most of you), then there’s the 1 who throw petrol over a man then lit it with a candle.
The planning and thoughts it took to go and get the petrol in a container, then a candle, then lit it, then find him or wait for him to come to her, throw the petrol and then the candle and watch him scream as he was slowly burnt to death.
To me, shows premeditated intent, and knowledge she and all woman will be allowed to do it again whenever the fancy takes them.
This premeditated intent is unlike Freeman who was driving over the Westgate, something has clearly happened that we are not allowed to know about, like a ph call from his ex or her family, for him to suddenly stop on the Westgate and throw 1 of his children over the side.
Why did he not throw all his children he had in his car over the side if he had premeditated intent to do harm to his children or ex?
Why did he not jump too if he had intent to do wrong in full view of the public?
A person who commits such a wrong in public view would normal kill themselves too would they not?
Why do men who drive into lakes and over cliffs get charged with murder while women get patted on the back and set off to do any wrong they like unless there is a public outcry?
Then there’s the women in a few countries in about the last 5-10 years who have driven into lakes and the ocean or over a cliff or into a truck on the Geelong Freeway, yes she crossed a about 20 metre median strip to kill herself and her children.
If you are going to research and publish matters of infanticide or murder-suicide then publish only what has occurred within the last 10 years and all those that have occurred which includes those committed by woman.
Then you might be able to persuade more of us of your bona fides regarding your crying out about wrongs being done to children rather than trying to justify to yourself and others the wrongs you have done to your and other children.
To I, you women sound like very sick bad mother’s.
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Craig Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
with court ordered 50% shared care, and the Girls don’t want to live with their Mother (lets say hypothetically) and the Court orders are breached, because the kids stay at the Fathers, and they are 13 and 15, does the Family Law or Federal Magistrates Court have a right to prevent it, can they enforce the 50%
With no Abuse proven against the Father.
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Lindal “you know what you men need a bra for your nuts they having too low.” you put forward such a convincing argument…dont debate with this genius, you are bound to lose guys
Lilywhite “I think the issue is about the death of a child, and the need to protect children in these situations, not some sick competition concerning the number of women who also did bad things”…
The comparison between Topham and Freeman was raising the question of equality in sentencing between genders, all your comment does is to lessen the crime Topham did, by attempting to divert the question into a gender competition, at least thats how I see it.
Was James Topham’s life no less valuable than Darcy Freeman’s?
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Rag, you don’t deserve my energies or time
reflect onmy comment again, I harden my stand by your response
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and you are hypocritical
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Mothers kill too, the point here is to stop all of it you idiot
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just down the road from my last morgtaged house, there was a suitcase, friends of my daughters found it, my daughters spoke everyday with those kids, my daughters could see the pond the suitcase was found by those fellow students from their bedroom windows. They watch me save our staffidshire terrier from drowning in the pond, they had many life experiences around that pond. (staffies are not good swimmers)
That Child in that suitcase was killed by his Mother, tortured first, many many times, I saw the outcry from the public when the police returned her there to show them what happenned, by chance we were there and I took my kids away so they didnt get caught up in the anger of it all. The Mother that killed that kid at Mt Druitt had all the neighbourhood convinced (almost) that she didn’t do it, and didn’t they freak out when they realised they were lied to by that mother, and why wouldn’t they, they were deceived.
Point is some Women do deceive and it is easier for people to believe women, that doesnt make all men good, some Fathers also do bad, we are here not to dwell on those things, but to change the system to help the kids, if your comments here dont support that, it’s best you move on, because truth will catch you out.
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and if women want to fight for equality fight for it in wages on the workforce, not in the Family Court system
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what a crock of shit
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ahhhh ok, so the fact I have been punched by women to the point of bleeding from the nose and mouth,one mother restraning her, does not prove we cannot, or most of us cannot contain our anger does it ?
Following day woman says her bruises on her forearms are abuse (they were caused by me blocking some punches, I never hit back, so here’s my my question, how much abuse, remembering women are weaker not dumber, how much abuse does a man have to take before we retailiate. My answer is no retaliation at all, we can stand the abuse, we as Aussie males wont belittle ourselves because of peer pressure to say we get abused. Some guys do snap, some are perpertrators of violence, many withstand it, but the money, the media the womens groups are with the violent stories about men against women more than any abuse by women against children or men. Now that this issue is being raised the more that denounce it the more I know that many do not want this issue raised, they do not want women equal to males in any other area other than rewarding issues for them e.g wages (fair enough). The women recognising this issue and standing up for the kids and men are not selfish, the women denouncing it don’t want equality for men or care for kids rights, they only speak about thier abuse and thier rights, my opinion only, I could be wrong, but basically, those that place the kids first are not denouncing or attacking anyones rights to equality, those that dont focus on the kids do, remembering the system is generally against Fathers, in Family Law, not the workplace, it needs adjusting.
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death is almost the most extreme, not the worst, it’s much deeper than that, not saying death isn’t bad, but torture before it is, and everything other than that is bad, see it appears the media and such concentrate on Fathers killing and stuff and they do, but many more mothers do and society is shocked by learning it, they dont want to accpet it
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yes, you just seem to concentrate on the bad Fathers, and appear to use that to hush us or make us question ourselves, we know there are bad fathers, what this soviety isn’t aware of is what is being discussed here.
Go Mick Fox
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Ragnvald, In 2009 the National Homicide Monitoring Program went into some depth on Child homicides. 75% of child homicides in 2007 were perpetrated by a mother and or step father.
You neglect to mention Yeedah Topham, who jumped from a building in Perth with her son James in her arms, or the mum who jumped from the West Gate Bridge with her son strapped to her chest, some 8 months prior to Darcy Freeman’s tragic death. Dean Shillingsworth doesnt rate a mention in your single gender attack either. How about the 4 Folbigg children?
Child homicide isn’t exactly a one gender crime, ignoring the gender of the perpetrators or highlighting so many perpetrated by fathers only, will not solve the problem. The solutions lie in finding out why modern humans resort to such primal actions. That will come from psychiatrical evaluations of surviving perpetrators.
You seem quite happy to minimise the tragic deaths of those I have named above in attacking men. If you were truely concerned about children being killed, it is every child or none, if you are only concerned about children killed by their father, you belittle the others and yourself. regards…
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“Although these incidents largely involve fathers, this point is not made as a gender issue but to illustrate the large numbers of children who are being killed following Family Court determinations.”
no, every incident listed involves fathers, if your point was “to illustrate the large numbers of children who are being killed following Family Court determinations”, you fail straight up by genderising the perpetrator. The Family Court can not control what happens before or after a determination, only the people in the case can,
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hide behind your name, make yourself protected so you wont be recognised, I see through you, and I bet you don’t answer about the human anatomy bit
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if you don’t wish to participate in what this group is about, go to your own group, or have they denounced you too ?
Sorry, but we are not here to waste our energies on crap, you can bring up all the worlds shit about bad fathers, doesn’t make your argument real, now get an equal amount of shit about Mothers, it is out there, then, maybe, you might look a litlle balanced, but I doubt thats your purpose
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and your point is ?
I told Mick the guy who scaled the Harbour bridge this site was being infiltrated by hush puppies, or words to that effect
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character assination and belittling seem to be your preference of study
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 12:35 am
you Rags, enjoy others misfortune hurt and misery, and you Rags dont like how I handle you, attacks on people from people like yourself are easy to pick for me now, so where are these Mother stats you are not so keen to publish ? ehehehehe
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Hey rags, I ran away from home and school many times (family life wasnt great) anyway I had a logarithm class one day, two or so weeks later I returned to school, got 100% in the test, you are short sighted and minded, there are many examples of people achievers, that didn’t even complete school ceritficate level (I did that and more), that are rich, so your point is what? I do typo’s ? I have a dodgy keyboard ? I am stupid ? I missed school while algebra was being taught to protect myself from abuse and so I wouldnt see abuse at the time? hmmmmmmmm Rags, what is your F@#$^$##@$%ing reason, to belitlle something or someone, have you been hurt, or are you hiding something ?
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what was it you said i make it so easy Rags? hmmmmmmmmmm?
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But you make it so easy Craig. Go get the mothers stats for yourself, its you who claims there are so many. We wont hold our breaths waiting for you. Is “ehehehe” Arabic, or Sumerian, or Mongoloid?. Clearly Craig, English is not your first language either, but we make allowances for that just as we will for your lack of mathematical knowledge and deductive reasoning If you are genuinely concerned about children Craig, then stand up and be counted Craig, like a man should. P.S. You seem to have rather an obsession with bowel movements and faeces Craig. I’d suggest you get help with that. Craig : You make rather an obtuse and absurd comment……….Ragnvald Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Thats a wonderful little story, Dave. But then, fathers are well renowned for false allegations and false denials and to fabricate, embellish, and distort the facts. There is no anti-father discrimination in the Family Courts – its pure imagination
Craig, how can we be assured that you are not lying in everything you say
Ragnvald Reply:
May 18th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Throwing childish Hissy fits, Dave!. Well Mick Fox has won the top award for that one, from the top of Sydney Harbour bridge and bringing the whole of Sydney to a standstill. Nothing will ever again compare with that dummy spit and foot stamping episode.
Lilywhite Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
You Have a wife? I Am amazed. Are you sure?
from Rags Chief Justice Bryant has said the Family Courts do not have the powers, expertise, nor resources to investigate allegations of domestic violence and child abuse. Such allegations cannot therefore be proven to a Family Court. How does that make them `false’ when they have not been investigated.?. Please explain.
think that exlains pretty much whats going on here with these two, can we move on now ?
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 2:37 am
is an avo against these two unreasonable ?
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 2:41 am
Hey Rags you seem to believe you have a certain knowledge about human anatomy when it comes to me, how is that? bring it on, let me know or go away, answer comon, answer, bet you dont answer, bet you dont answer
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 3:03 am
you and the other folk joining you here to hush us or anger us or discredit us or whatever motivation you have for us, are full of shit, Go Mick, Zac, Ian Admin Howard and all the others, don’t let his stop us, I told Mick the politicians will be watching us more than ever now, the attacks will be more than ever now, now the fight begins, now we need to be strong and stand up for our kids, and not be distracted from the many attempts to take us from the fact the Family Law Act and Courts and Governements and Police and DOCS and affiliates and Schools and general public opinion, media included, don’t want this issue raised, but it needs to be for our kids sake !
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 4:47 am
A good mate once asked me while i was fighting the avo against me was it worth the effort, I said it was principal, she lied in court and the avo was wrong, so i fought it and won, this whole fight is worth it, lets band together, dont let these attacks stop us, the very day I had my conviction quashed my brother, who lived across the road and spent much time with my ex, went to the police and placed an avo on me, I couldnt be bothered fighting that one, I dont care for it, it means nothing…………
We (my new wife and I) have had many a reason to place avos on them, but whats the point ? the point is the children, and if I dont want access to my Brother, why do I want to fight him, if i want to challenge my ex’s bullshit in court and she lied I challenge it to help my kids….. I still limit contact to my ex, now though, I’m wiser about how the contact happens, she isnt in control anymore and she hates it
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Hey Rags you seem to believe you have a certain knowledge about human anatomy when it comes to me, how is that? bring it on, let me know or go away, answer comon, answer, bet you dont answer, bet you dont answer
Hey Rags you seem to believe you have a certain knowledge about human anatomy when it comes to me, how is that? bring it on, let me know or go away, answer comon, answer, bet you dont answer, bet you dont answer
Hey Rags you seem to believe you have a certain knowledge about human anatomy when it comes to me, how is that? bring it on, let me know or go away, answer comon, answer, bet you dont answer, bet you dont answer
Hey Rags you seem to believe you have a certain knowledge about human anatomy when it comes to me, how is that? bring it on, let me know or go away, answer comon, answer, bet you dont answer, bet you dont answer
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
bet you dont answer bet you dont answer bet you dont
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
knew it, cant answer because Rags overstepped the mark, wont discuss that or appologise, won’t accept that the reason they are here is to attack us our site and ourselves
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ehehehahahahaaaaaa you are a funny, balance hey, you cant even list wrongs by Mothers, let alone tell the truth, you couldnt plank or lie straight in bed in you tried
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Again I say you continue to bombard this site with information about men doing wrong, balance it with the same about women, otherwise we will ignore your pathetic argument
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you’ve already lost your cause Rags, you just can’t accept it
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you enjoy it don’t you Rags, still you have not answered why you make reference to my anatomy, nor do you answer why you don’t balance your reference to abuse by posting abuse stats by Mothers, your argument is weak
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I could make reference to *you* typo ehehehe, but hey, this site is for the kids, not your agenda, go away and reflect
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ohhh here comes more crap, lol
Ever seen your kids taken by police without being informed your rights Rag? ever had your life character taken from you by a sociopath ? do you even understand the effect that has on kids, do you have the depth of understanding to care at all? I doubt it Because you throw bad stats at men, you have belittled me and wont justify your attacks on me or others, you are here to cause trouble, go away little pathetic person
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Admin, you are either asleep or approve of Rags continous attacks
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Craig Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I am with you Ian and will no doubt be moderated from now on, clearly these postings show a continuous attack to people by Rags and clearly that is allowed, I am off with my kids,(genetic and step) to watch my step son play footy, supporting my kids is what I do best, you Rags keep the attacks coming, you are showing us more and more who you are
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Ian Rags comments above are mirror images of attack by people you described earlier
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Most men love woman, and some who love men love woman too!
It is women’s behaviour of constant need to: lie, be disseat-full, demonstrate 2 faced behaviour and/or believe they get away with their 2 faced behaviour, be derogatory (abuse) of their man, and the list goes on.
In short men get sick of the dysfunctional and mentally disturbed behaviour woman claim to be cause by PMT, while the truth is, it is woman making believe, to themselves and each other, they are the only thing in the world that makes the world go round.
In truth, they are the only things in the world, other than actors, who need to spend so much time on make-up, making believe they look good or right to present to the public.
With such a need to put on so much make-up and make-believe airs on, who knows the real you (woman) other than you. Hence you have to hide it with make-up and blame others for your true you and ugly looks and or fat.
Yes, I love a GOOD woman and have little time for men, I love the feel of their skin in my mouth and the sounds of glee and joy they make when I touch the right spots the right way.
But their dysfunctional, demented, self centred, dishonest, misbehaviour means I wont have 1 in my home on a full time basis.
P.S. the admin moderate my posts because I have evidence the AG, Bryant CJ, and other judges including High Court judges, have perverted justice to protect woman and other judges from prosecution of their crimes that include misrepresentations and False Testimony (Commonwealth Criminal Offence standard applicable) to Parliament and the Courts.
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